Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!mit-eddie!ll-xn!ames!pioneer!lamaster From: lamaster@pioneer.arpa (Hugh LaMaster) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Disk rotational speed vs. striping vs. parallel heads Message-ID: <2586@ames.arpa> Date: Tue, 25-Aug-87 18:34:20 EDT Article-I.D.: ames.2586 Posted: Tue Aug 25 18:34:20 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 27-Aug-87 02:27:33 EDT References: <2432@ames.arpa> <3721@well.UUCP> <2838@phri.UUCP> <155@dolphy.UUCP> <611@gumby.UUCP> <222@casemo.UUCP> Sender: usenet@ames.arpa Reply-To: lamaster@ames.UUCP (Hugh LaMaster) Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif. Lines: 44 In article <222@casemo.UUCP> brian@casemo.UUCP (Brian Cuthie ) writes: >I didn't realize we were talking about a single threaded machine. I guess >it makes less of a difference when one task has to wait for the disks anyway. > > >Sorry again. I mis-read ths context of the statement. I spent several >years designing disk controlers and just assumed we were talking about >bus bandwidth. I oftern forget that most people are actually interesed >in throughput. Thus two different Mbytes/s. Big Iron users (Cray, Cyber 205, etc.) need speed. You can multiprogram up to a point (4 to 6 tasks in memory per processor, for example), but beyond that point disk "throughput" doesn't help, because Big Iron jobs usually contain some very large memory tasks that won't fit in memory with each other. The only way to make these faster is speed. Now, as was pointed out, there are two kinds of speed: speed on random accesses, and speed on sequential accesses. Fortunately, a lot of big jobs can be structured to reduce the amount of randomness (and number of seeks). So, in the big machine world, the CDC 819 (four parallel heads, 36 Mbit/sec peak speed) was popular. The newer drives (CDC, Ibis) run at around 100 Mbit/sec peak speeds. These drives are sometimes used WITH striping also, either with or without the help of the operating system. Because even these speeds are not enough, the Cray X-MP comes with an solid state "disk" which runs at up to 10Gigabit/sec rates. It is also much, much, much faster at random accesses than a magnetic disk. An effective aggregate transfer rate of 200MBit/sec is a reasonable requirement for running at job at 100MFLOPS. Some newer machines are expected to run at actual job speeds of 1 GFLOPS. Hugh LaMaster, m/s 233-9, UUCP {seismo,topaz,lll-crg,ucbvax}! NASA Ames Research Center ames!pioneer!lamaster Moffett Field, CA 94035 ARPA lamaster@ames-pioneer.arpa Phone: (415)694-6117 ARPA lamaster@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov "IBM will have it soon" (Disclaimer: "All opinions solely the author's responsibility")