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From: ron@topaz.rutgers.edu (Ron Natalie)
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Subject: Re: Access to database on IBM/MVS from UNIX ?
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Date: Fri, 4-Sep-87 17:47:19 EDT
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> IBM is working on TCP/IP for VM and MVS but the availability
> is 6 months to a year (I think).

TCP/IP Networking code has been available for VM and MVS for a while now.
You can even get it direct from IBM now.

> IBM wants everyone to talk SNA and the hardware/software from outside
> vendors isn't there yet.

Not quite true.  While this was the strategy in the past, IBM recently
realized they were losing out big in the research/academic environment.
I've seen lots of indications that the are on to TCP in a big way.  Part
of this is being helped by joint projects with a number of Universities
around the country.  These TCP/IPers in IBM are actually making some
decent headway now.

> IBM wants everyone to talk SNA and the hardware/software from outside
> vendors isn't there yet.  (DEC is getting fairly close according to
> Computerworld).

Of course, this involves the least amount of work for them.  But,
how many non-DEC things talk DECNET?  Sun has recently announced
a whole line of SunLink products for both DECNET and IBM.

> Oracle can run networked databases between UNIX boxes and UTS.

For those who don't know UTS is Amdahl's UNIX under VM.  This is
not much of a solution to the problem for IBM users.  This really
just converts your IBM hardware.  Since it is ASCII it needs special
hardware to directly connect terminal lines (fortunately they are
working on TCP so you can telnet in).

> We should have MSDOS to VM/MVS running this fall (using a 3270 interface I
> think).  I doubt there will be anything for UNIX to VM/MVS in the near
> future (there isn't much market demand for it yet).

-Ron