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From: elg@killer.UUCP (Eric Green)
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: Re: undergraduate rankings
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Date: Sun, 6-Sep-87 15:19:54 EDT
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Posted: Sun Sep  6 15:19:54 1987
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in article <10158@duke.cs.duke.edu>, jbd@duke.cs.duke.edu (Joanne Bechta Dugan) says:
> The following is a list of the top 60 undergraduate institutions
> on a combination of three measures:  the nnumber of graduates who went on 
> to receive PhD's in science or mathematics from 1971 to 1980; the number
                      ^^^^^^^    ^^^^^^^^^^^
> of students who received national Science Foundation fellowships from
> 1973 to 1984; and the percentage of freshmen with math SAT scores above 600.

[list deleted]

Note that this is a SCIENCE list (i.e. Chemistry, Physics, etc.), not an
ENGINEERING list (i.e. Electrical & Computer Engineering, and Computer Science
in many universities).  Which is why MIT didn't appear anywhere on the list,
despite having one of the most highly acclaimed CS programs on this planet.

I really doubt there's many "pure" scientists on this net, probably it's more
inclined towards the engineering (i.e. "building") arts, such as creating
software and creating computer hardware... so that list is useless to most of
us. 

Is there, anywhere, a valid list of the top CS institutions, based upon valid
criteria such as necessary lab equipment, size of CS department, publications
of faculty members (about the only way to assure that the faculty is
state-of-the-art), curriculum, etc.? About the only ratings I've seen have
been highly subjective and based upon the answers of questionaires mailed to
the appropriate departments... sort of like asking a student to grade his own
tests! 

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