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From: sterritt@ge-mc3i.UUCP (Chris Sterritt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.lang.lisp
Subject: Re: Coral/Franz Extended Common Lisp PRESS RELEASE
Message-ID: <337@ge-mc3i.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 25-Aug-87 19:53:43 EDT
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Posted: Tue Aug 25 19:53:43 1987
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>In article <792@cadre.dsl.PITTSBURGH.EDU> geb@cadre.dsl.pittsburgh.edu.UUCP (Gordon E. Banks) writes:
>>In article <3700@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU> jww@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU (Joel West) writes:
>>I'm not a big Lisp fan, but $400 seems steep for a single-language
>>development system on the Mac.  
>But with the University discount, it is only $200, which is quite 
>reasonable.

Well what about us NON-Univ types?

Seriously, PLEASE give Coral a call at 800-521-1027.  I talked to a very
friendly and knowledgable person there, who even understood my is-it-like-
Symbolics-in-this way questions.  

The upshot is that there will be a cheap ("Coral Lisp") version, and an 
expensive version ("Allegro Extended common lisp").  He was pretty vague
on what the differences would be (Coral Lisp, the cheap one at ~$100, is due
out in about two months), but DID indicate that the cheap one would have the
compiler, and would be 'pretty full' common lisp.  He thought that they might
not add the programmable editor, packages, and defstructs.  I complained, and
he was nice, but firm.

THIS IS THE TIME THAT WE SHOULD ALL START A PHONE-IN CAMPAIGN to get them to
bring out the 'full' CL for the cheap price!  They just don't believe that they
will sell more than four times as many at one-quarter the price, as I do.
(I'll bet that Think technologies thinks this way too, but I dunno :-).

I said that I thought that they might lose to the Scheme that's out, but they
said that the scheme compiler system is $400; the $125 scheme DOES NOT have
a compiler, and so is slow.  Their cheap one will.

Oh well... I did hope that they would do the right thing.  I guess they have
their reasons for making it expensive, BUT I'll bet a good call-in campaign
could have SOME effect...

thanks,
chris sterritt