Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!rutgers!ucla-cs!zen!ucbvax!nma.COM!stef From: stef@nma.COM (Einar Stefferud) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc Subject: (none) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26-Aug-87 21:16:16 EDT Article-I.D.: SIMTEL20.KPETERSEN.12329668599.BABYL Posted: Wed Aug 26 21:16:16 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 29-Aug-87 03:51:16 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: Stef@NRTC.NORTHROP.COM Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 116 I am sending this to the whole list, plus -request because I think it is important to immediately press a vital issue, as follows: The entire globe needs yet anotehr new protocol like it needs 5 billion new holes, one each in the heads of the earth's 5 billion people. We have seen much effort put into development of the new OSI stuff (ISO/CCITT/NBS/...). I would much prefer to see you and others put their efforts into spreading the new OSI stuff around and making it available and useful on lower order machines of the class we commonly call PC's today. In particular this includes the use of dialup public switched telephone connections to pass Mail, Transfer Files, and do Remote Logins. There is a reasonably large gap in the ISO/CCITT OSI suite in this special area. Use of DialUp connections is very hard to accomplish. But, at the higher levels (Session, Presentation, ASN.1, ROSE, ACSE, FTAM, et al) much of the desired work has been done. Much, but not all is freely available to the public (almost but not quite public domain). X.400 Mail Handling Systems are already available for MSDOS for prices under $500 per copy. I would propose that this revived PCNET effort be focused on taking this existing body of OSI stuff and porting it down to PC Class machines. And then add to it the ability to use DialUp connections at the Network Layer, under TP0 for use by Session and the other Higher Layers. You can freely obtain copies of the relevant ISO Development Environment stuff from several sources in the US and Europe. See my attached notice of a new FTAM Service that is offered in the UK. OIn shoort, there is a really massive movement already underway, and it is my proposal that you all work to take advantage of it by hooking the PCNET effort to it to make it available tro the masses of Isolated PC Class Systems out there in the DialUp World. ------- Included FTAM Service Announcement Date: Sat, 22 Aug 87 11:27:59 +0100 Subject: FTAM Service at UCL From: Steve Kille To: rare-wg2%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, rare-wg1%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, mailgroup@cs.ucl.ac.UK, osi-tg%aucc.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.UK, isode@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.COM cc: service@cs.ucl.ac.UK I am pleased to announce an experimental FTAM service at UCL. Let me explain what I mean by this, and why I have sent this message to such a large group of people. By FTAM, I mean the ISODE implementation, which is to DIS, with a few pieces of critical information taken from the IS. By service, I mean that from now on, we intend to make all public files at UK.AC.UCL.CS (currently available by NIFTP), also available by FTAM. I believe that the software we have is now in a state where this will start to be useful to some sites. We have already shipped many megabytes over PSS, and have some confidence that this system is usable. To start with, the following are available: 1) UCL Service documents and guides 2) RFCs (the UCL collection, which is substantial, but not complete) 3) Mailgroup documents 4) ISODE Sources The service is available on PSS (23421920030016) and on Janet (0000051160016). It is also available on the Internet, at CS.UCL.AC.UK on the ISODE socket. The transport selector is 256, which should be ASCII encoded (we do also accept the rather bizarre US GOSIP encoding). There are no other selectors. Username "anon" will give public access. The locations of the files should be "obvious". Why announce this now? 1) This so far appears to be the only DIS FTAM implementation around. I do not really believe this, and hope that this may encourage some of the others to creeep out of the woodwork. Interworking tests are clearly desirable. Perhaps I should note here, is that UCL's interest is in promoting and using OSI. We are not intending to do FTAM development. 2) The timing is so that this topic may be discussed at the RARE WG1 and WG2 meetings, where it is relevant. In particular, I believe that this system is appropriate for an experimental RARE service, perhaps along the lines of the EAN experimental MHS service that has been emerging. This could be a core activity for WG2. WG1 have a need for document and table update. 3) It might be useful to someone What is the software? The ISODE software is written in C, and targetted initially for UNIX (it is aimed to be as independent of UNIX as possible). There will be a new release (ISODE 3.0) available in the near future. This will contain support for three different X.25 interfaces: SUN (Sunlink) Vax (CAMTEC Dexpand) Vax (DMF 32 + UBC interface) Announcements will be made to the ISODE list (contact isode-request@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com). Europeans may be added to the European expansion of this list (contact isode-request@cs.ucl.ac.uk). Who is responsible: Most of the system has been written by Marshall Rose of Northrop. Credit should also go to John Pavel of NPL and George Michaelson of UCL for making the X.25 fly, and to George for setting up the service. onward with OSI! Steve ------- End of included FTAM Service Announcement