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Subject: Re: ogre wont compile
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Date: Sun, 16-Aug-87 03:37:54 EDT
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In article <478@sugar.UUCP> peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes:
<Steve Jackson Games distributes a copyrighted work called "OGRE", from which
<the "ogre" game distributed over the net has been derived. The rules are
<absolutely identical. The playing board is absolutely identical. The graphics
<are better on the original :->. There is a commercial computer game called
<OGRE that is also directly based on Steve Jackson's game, and which is either
<published by SJG or by someone who pays royalties to SJG.
<-- 
<-- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!seismo!soma!uhnix1!sugar!peter (I said, NO PHOTOS!)

As often as Peter is right, it's a little surprising to see him drop
one.

SJG has distributed *two* versions of OGRE. They are almost identical,
with a minor change in the rules. The concepts therein are licensed
from Keith Laumer, deriving from his BOLO stories.

Origin Systems Inc distributed a version of OGRE under license from
SJG.  It is now distributed by EA. The graphics are nearly identical
to the SJG version, and the rules are nearly identical. The OSI
version allows for starting conditions that violate the rules of the
SJG version, and there is no way to use the optional rules. It's
nicely done; if only I could get it without the user traps.

There is an ASCII version of Ogre floating around. The graphics are
different, and the board is smaller. There is no option to allow a
human to play the ogre. There are three versions: stock, with problems
relating to stacking and movement (user interface bogosity - if you've
still got this, let me know) and a dumb ogre; one improved to the
point where only infantry combat rules differ from SJG, plus some
optional rules and ui improvements; and finally a version with ogre
types from The Space Gamer included.

Someone ported the middle version to the Amiga. I would assume it
still has most of the same problems (infantry combat and board size).
So neither the graphics nor the rules would be identical.

	<mike
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