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From: root@hobbes.UUCP (John Plocher)
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Subject: Of Backbonisms and Misreading RFCs.
Message-ID: <171@hobbes.UUCP>
Date: Sun, 9-Aug-87 17:20:33 EDT
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Posted: Sun Aug  9 17:20:33 1987
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+---- Webber writes the following in article <319@brandx.rutgers.edu> ----
| 
| So if this is the basis for your assumption that Internet is an ARPA
| term exclusively, then I am singularly unimpressed and will continue
| to use it for what was once called WorldNet.  Is there any other
| arpaphile that thinks they can find an RFC that defends the notion
| that Internet applies only to ARPA?
| 
| ------- BOB (webber@aramis.rutgers.edu ; rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!webber)

Bob, you are underinformed about the state of things.  Think, don't guess!
You are a professor of Computer Science at Rutgers - that implies that you
can (in theory :-) think.

  Internet	==> Internet Protocols	==> TCP/IP	==> Internetworking

Re: RFC 799 (My online copies do not go back further)   "... every internet host
  is uniquely identified by one or more 32-bit internet addresses and that the
  system is fully connected."  "... all hosts can be assumed MTP-competent"

  UUCP-only sites are NOT fully connected, do NOT have unique 32 bit addresses,
  and are NOT MTP-competent.  UUCP-only sites DO make up a majority of USENET.

  What this means, Bob, is that the Internet *BY DEFINITION* is made up of
  the set of hosts which comunicate to each other using the Internet Protocols
  (TCP/IP, SLIP, UDP, MTP, SMTP...)

  In past times, the ARPAnet was the only game in town.  Now, though, there are
  many (over 200) other wide and local area networks which are interconnected
  with each other and the ARPAnet.  The name for this whole sprawl which talks
  using the Internet Protocol is the Internet.  You are partially right:  the
  term "Internet" no longer refers to ONLY the ARPAnet.


If you wish to refer to "WorldNet", why not use the name already in use for it:

				"USENET"

Usenet is *BY DEFINITION* the set of all sites which receive netnews.

  (See "How to Use USENET Effectively" by Matt Bishop, and the other Usenet
  Docs provided with v2.11)

**** Flame (Med Low) ****

I'm sure that if I all of a sudden decided to call every 4 lane road in the
country an "Interstate" that many would know "what I mean".  I also know
that these same people would be snickering and thinking that I didn't
really know what I was talking about.  If I heard them snickering and
challenged them to find a reference work to prove that the DoT owned the
name "Interstate" I'd be digging my own grave.  If on top of all that I
said that if they couldn't then I'd continue using it instead of using a
term like "freeway" ...  well, you get the picture.  I'd begin to lose
any credibility I had.  Then, when I spoke up for something which I really
knew something about no one would listen.

Can you say Kill files and "Crying wolf"?

**** Halon released: flames put out ****

-- 
John Plocher uwvax!geowhiz!uwspan!plocher  plocher%uwspan.UUCP@uwvax.CS.WISC.EDU