Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!rutgers!mtune!codas!usfvax2!pdn!alan From: alan@pdn.UUCP (Alan Lovejoy) Newsgroups: comp.std.internat,sci.lang Subject: Re: International Character Codes/Sets Message-ID: <1160@pdn.UUCP> Date: Wed, 26-Aug-87 19:28:28 EDT Article-I.D.: pdn.1160 Posted: Wed Aug 26 19:28:28 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 29-Aug-87 08:53:40 EDT References: <218@astra.necisa.oz> <142700010@tiger.UUCP> <2792@phri.UUCP> <111@quick.UUCP> <1434@ico.UUCP> Reply-To: alan@pdn.UUCP (0000-Alan Lovejoy) Organization: Paradyne Corporation, Largo, Florida Lines: 27 Xref: mnetor comp.std.internat:179 sci.lang:1243 It should be pointed out that there are numerous phones (sounds) in English that do not have their own letter (in English spelling): "th" (voiced as in "the" and unvoiced as in "thin"), "sh", "zh" (which is the voiced form of "sh") and "ch" (although some insist this is just "tsh"). Also, many vowel sounds have to share letters with other sounds: "A" has at least 4 (allo)phones ("at any all ale"). "I" has at least 3 phones ("Cindi I.."). "E" has 4 ("ten meter eclair"), one of which is also expressed by "ee" and "i", and two others which are also expressed by "a". "O" has 4 ("or do go on"), one of which it shares with "a". "U" has 4 ("Ur-Lord hunts unique nudes"). "Ou" is either "u", "o" or a third unique sound ("would"), which can also be written "oo" ("wood")...and I can go on, but I've made my point: there are more vowel and consonant sounds in English than our current alphabet can handle, it you desire to have one letter exclusively for each allophone. Whether the general public ever changes English spelling is irrelevant. We need to be able to use computers to express the sounds of English and other languages (linguists need this capability, at least). There should be standard mechanisms to allow for this on general-purpose computer systems. Of course, there already is a standard alphabet used by linguists that can express any human speech sound with more than adequate precision: The Internation Phonetic Alphabet. We need ISCPT: Internation Standard Code for Phonetic Transcription (or whater you want to call it). --Alan "kaen yu rid dhihs?" Lovejoy