Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!seismo!mcvax!enea!sommar From: sommar@enea.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.std.internat Subject: Character representation Message-ID: <2253@enea.UUCP> Date: Sat, 5-Sep-87 18:23:20 EDT Article-I.D.: enea.2253 Posted: Sat Sep 5 18:23:20 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 6-Sep-87 19:47:30 EDT Reply-To: sommar@enea.UUCP(Erland Sommarskog) Followup-To: comp.std.internat Organization: ENEA DATA Svenska AB, Sweden Lines: 43 It is now some weeke ago since I wrote an article where I asked for a change of paradigm for character representation. It was followed about discussion of sorting and what languages which used what acccents. The last days some new ideas have been coming up, though I'd like to comment these. In a separate article I am presenting an own proposal to a character standard. Basically we have seen two approaches to the problem. Alan Lovejoy's idea of a character palette and ISO 6937. The palette first. The idea has its points, but I feel it is over-worked. Do you really need codes for all possible human sounds? Computers today transmits written language, not spoken. But with speech synthesis advancing, we may need this standard in some decades. Alan hasn't spoken of sorting and character comparison. Just comparing the (arbitrarily) numeric codes doens't seem meaningful. Have you thought of introduce language dependicy here? So ISO 6937. Until Bruce Sherwood wrote his article I hadn't heard of this standard. Obviuosly this standard does a lot of what I requested. By introducing mute modifiers a lot more letters can be handled. But apparently it was ahead of its times. Fridrik Skulason writes: "6937 may be better than 8859 for some purposes (communication that is), but as a standard character set for terminals it is useless. The reason ... Simple. Most existing software packages assume that (1 char in text = 1 char on screen)." That is giving up, I'd say. Yes, ISO 6937 would require many existing programmes being rewritten. It would also require progress in hardware for handle the mute characters properly. But can't do we this? If Fridrik is right we are doomed to live the ASCII/8859 stone age approach forever. Now I think he is wrong. But of course you have work more for a "progressive" standard to gain popularity than a defensive one like 8859. What you need is some leading manufacturer to start using it, or an important customer to require it. -- Erland Sommarskog ENEA Data, Stockholm sommar@enea.UUCP