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From: peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva)
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Subject: Re: ogre wont compile
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Date: Sat, 22-Aug-87 16:12:18 EDT
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Posted: Sat Aug 22 16:12:18 1987
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In article <4759@jade.BERKELEY.EDU>, (Mike  Meyer) writes:
|SJG has distributed *two* versions of OGRE. They are almost identical,
|with a minor change in the rules. The concepts therein are licensed
|from Keith Laumer, deriving from his BOLO stories.

First of all, the differences are extremely minor. If you want to pick nits
replace the words "absolutely identical" with "virtually identical". Steve
did not license anything from Keith Laumer... it is quite likely he never
read the books (I know he never read Illuminatus before designing Illuminati).
He gave Keith Laumer credit, but that's it.

Secondly, it is extremely unlikely Steve gave his permission for the PD
version. I've run into him a couple of times at conventions, and I got
the impression that he wouldn't be happy with me doing one... so I didn't.
I didn't actually bring up the subject, but his views were pretty obvious.

Basically, the game OGRE is copyright be Steve Jackson, and I believe that
the PD version is a violation of that copyright. There's more to copyright
violation than software piracy... though you wouldn't think it on the net.

If you have some facts to dispute this belief, I'd be happy to apologise.
In the meantime, it'd probably be a wise move to remove the OGRE port
from PD disk collections and bulletin boards. I haven't told SJ or anyone
associated with them, and I'm not saying you're likely to be prosecuted.
I just think that the "PD" OGRE is not consistent with the basic "rules"
of PD software.

|Origin Systems Inc distributed a version of OGRE under license from
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|SJG.  It is now distributed by EA. The graphics are nearly identical
 ^^^
|to the SJG version, and the rules are nearly identical.

OSI/EA has permission. The person who did the PD version doesn't.
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-- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!seismo!soma!uhnix1!sugar!peter (I said, NO PHOTOS!)