Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!columbia!rutgers!ll-xn!husc6!psuvax1!vu-vlsi!ge-mc3i!sterritt From: sterritt@ge-mc3i.UUCP (Chris Sterritt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: pronouns for Bryce Message-ID: <336@ge-mc3i.UUCP> Date: Tue, 25-Aug-87 19:40:43 EDT Article-I.D.: ge-mc3i.336 Posted: Tue Aug 25 19:40:43 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 27-Aug-87 06:22:55 EDT References: <8708191546.AA07324@cogsci.berkeley.edu> <2793@hoptoad.uucp> <8708200011.AA09857@cogsci.berkeley.edu> <2214@xanth.UUCP> Reply-To: sterritt@ge-mc3i.UUCP (Chris Sterritt) Organization: General Electric Astro Space Div. Lines: 25 Xref: mnetor comp.sys.mac:6009 comp.sys.amiga:7797 >In article <2214@xanth.UUCP> kent@xanth.UUCP (Kent Paul Dolan) writes: >>In article <8708200011.AA09857@cogsci.berkeley.edu> bryce@COGSCI.BERKELEY.EDU (Bryce Nesbitt) writes: >>>~~ Some linguist should come up with a neuter personal pronoun and eliminate >>>this sexist "he" or "she" stuff from modern literature. >>possessive case, with the vowel sound a little shorter and less structured >>Actually, one pretty good attempt I've seen uses "ser", which sounds like a >Kent, the man from xanth. NO NO A MILLION TIMES NO!!!!! Linguists DO NOT DICTATE LANGUAGE!!!! NO ONE HAS EVER EVER EVER SUGGESTED SUCH A "FIX" FOR ANY HUMAN LANGUAGE AND HAD IT STICK (except in France). THIS IS JUST INCREDIBLY BOGUS. You are absolutely confused on the role of people in language: No doubt you read William Safire. Language is invented, changed, and updated by the PEOPLE, not the Academicians. As an example: There was a non-sexist pronoun recommended a while back, but it just 'never caught on'; it was 'thon' (really!); Want to know when this awesomely farsighted and incredibly desirable idea (:-) was put forth? IN THE LATE 1800's!!! IT WAS NEVER HEARD OF AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Read "Word Play" by Peter Farb, a very fun to read book on linguistics by a real expert who can speak my language, and probably yours. It'll straighten out this fallacy and a million others (at least :-) that you may have, without even knowing it.