Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!mimsy!oddjob!uwvax!rutgers!ucla-cs!zen!ucbvax!WALKER-EMH.ARPA!InfoMail-Mailer From: InfoMail-Mailer@WALKER-EMH.ARPA Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit Subject: Undeliverable Mail Message-ID: <8709062146.AA16437@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Sun, 6-Sep-87 17:36:00 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8709062146.AA16437 Posted: Sun Sep 6 17:36:00 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 6-Sep-87 22:42:08 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 319 Mail was not delivered to the following users because there were bad address(es) in TO and/or CC field(s): info-atari UNDELIVERED-MESSAGE: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Received: from BBN.COM by WALKER-EMH.ARPA ; 6 Sep 87 21:29:24 GMT Received-2: from score.stanford.edu by BBN.COM id aa06138; 6 Sep 87 17:27 EDT Date: Sun 6 Sep 87 12:51:45 PDT Subject: Info-Atari8 Digest V87 #78 From: Info-Atari8 @ SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: Info-Atari8-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Maint-Path: Info-Atari8-request@Score.Stanford.EDU To: Info-Atari8 Distribution List: Reply-to: Info-Atari8@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Text: Info-Atari8 Digest Sunday, September 6, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 78 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: October 1987 ANTIC TOC Re: BASIC XE Re: Simple Downloader Idea -- "Oops!" Re: BASIC XE TermCap for Atari 800 in Ascii communications mode 600XL Upgrade to 256k ? Where and How? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Sep 87 18:42:55 GMT From: ihnp4!ihlpf!store2@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Kit Kimes) Subject: October 1987 ANTIC TOC To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu OCTOBER 1987 ANTIC TOC page article 8 I/O BOARD Letters from Readers. 12 PRODUCT REVIEWS Software Guitar Wizard (Baudville) Linkword Languages (Artworx Software) Ultra Menu (Computer Software Services) Hardware Ultra-Speed (Computer Software Services) 15 SUPER DISK BONUS The bonus program for disk subscribers this month is the ANTIC Spelling Checker that allows up to 10 personal dictionaries of approximately 6300 words each. 16 STARTING OUT: ATARI ANIMATION This is the fifth lesson in the series. It covers bit mapping and has an interesting demo. 24 GAME OF THE MONTH: RESISTORS This action game teaches binary and electronics. It uses a redefined character set for the graphics. BASIC 27 USERS GROUP: ACENET A discussion of the 17 Southern CA user groups that make up ACENET. 32 NEW PRODUCTS A description but not a review of several new products available for the Atari computers. This month they describe the Okidata 180 printer, Cycle Knight (Artworx Software), the pocket calculators with the Atari logo on them, Microstuffer (Supra) and XR 100 Bar Coder (Xenia Research)--an inventory bar code reader. 33 PAGE 6 EXCHANGE: GRAPHICS IMPOSSIBLE Two eye-popping demos of graphics techniques often mistakenly considered impossible--mixed vertical display lists and dual players on the same horizontal line. 37 FOOTBALL PREDICTOR A program that helps you pick the winners and beat the points spread. It is claimed that this program had nearly a 60% success rate against the points spread last year. 39 TELEPROMPTING WITH ATARI An article on how Q-Tv of Los Angles use the Atari 130XE as the basis of a teleprompting system. 40 ANTIC PROMPTER Now you too can use your Atari to prompt you when you give those important speeches at club meetings, etc. This program will read a file written in AtariWriter, Paper Clip or its own editor and display it in large letters. You use the joystick to select speed and direction. 42 MAVERICK ATARI SCHOOL A writeup on the PCS School for Advanced Learning in Nampa, Idaho. 44 BONUS GAME: MATH FLASHCARDS No fancy graphics. Just a direct, no-nonsense program that kids enjoy using. 46 BONUS GAME: NAME THE PRESIDENTS A simple, short program helps youngsters learn the Presidents of the U.S. 47 CHECKBOOK BALANCER A compact but powerful user-friendly calculating database. ***********BEGIN THE ST RESOURCE SECTION********** 52 ANTIC PROMPTER ST Now you too can use your Atari to prompt you when you give those important speeches at club meetings, etc. This program is written in GFA BASIC, runs on any color or monochrome ST and will smoothly scroll text files (using very large letters) up the TV screen at speeds ranging from very slow to faster than most people can talk. 55 ST PRODUCT NEWS AND REVIEWS Software Balance of Power (Mindscape) First Shapes (First Byte) Kid Talk (First Byte) Math Talk (First Byte) Speller Bee (First Byte) New Products (description only) Supercharger (Migraph), Font Pack I (Migraph), Personal Draw Art (Migraph), Technical Draw Arts (Migraph), Label- Master Elite (Migraph), Sub Battle Simulator (Epyx), ARTablets (EI/O Products), New Aladdin (magazine of disk), SoftWerx Maxpak for 50 Bux (SoftWerx), P-edit (KEPCO), Sales-Pro Software System (Hi-Tech Advisers) and Encrypt (Middle Coast Publishing). ***********END THE ST RESOURCE SECTION************ 63 SOFTWARE LIBRARY This section contains all the program listings for the articles in this issue. 82 TECH TIPS This section is a collection of tips and short programs from readers or collected from various Users Groups newsletters. Comments: One of the products reviewed this month is Ultra-Speed, a replacement OS chip for XL/XE machines that allows high-speed access with most disk drives modifications and virtually all software. It allows you to switch between it and the original OS. It provides a true cold-start by pressing [HELP] and [RESET]. There is a new regular feature in ANTIC called Page 6 Exchange. It consists of programs originally published in a British publication called Page 6. They, in turn, will be able to print programs from ANTIC. Kit Kimes AT&T-ISL 1100 E. Warrenville Rd. Naperville, IL 60566 ...!ihnp4!iwvae!kimes ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 87 00:39:31 GMT From: muscat!striepe@decwrl.dec.com (Harald Striepe) Subject: Re: BASIC XE To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu In article <770@cg-atla.UUCP> SAULNIER@cg-atla.UUCP (SAULNIER) writes: > > I purchased "BASIC XE" from OSS some time ago, and I realized >that I NEVER use atari BASIC anymore. My question is, can I yank out >the ATARI BASIC rom(s) and do a straight swap with the "XE" roms? I >would like to free up the bus connector for other uses, but can't >because this cartridge is ALWAYS installed. Has anyone ever done >this?? (I could handle more than a straight swap if someone has >the exact procedure.) > OSS'S BASIC XE is a 16K BASIC that bank-switches a portion of its 8K physical address space. In addition, it makes use of the 8K RAM shadowed by the cartridge through disk loaded extensions. This allows the versatility of a 24K language while only occupying 8K of the limited 6502 address space. In extended mode, it stores its program code in the extra 64K of RAM banked on the 130XE, using the main memory for data storage only. Alternately you can kleep program and main line data storage in the main bank, and do extended storage of data chunks in the banks (explicit bank numbers can be used with peeks, pokes, bloads etc.). You can see that this would not be a simple ROM replacement, since you would also have to graft the banking logic. A simpler approach might be to use ICD's 130XE bus adapter that converts the 130XE cartridge and extended slot to the straight 800XL type connector, while adding two (vertical) cartridge slots. The second slot is intended for the R-TIME8 cartridge. -- Harald Striepe Digital Equipment Corp., SPG Mktg, Sunnyvale, CA decwrl!muscat!striepe, decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-canvas!striepe, CANVAS::STRIEPE ------------------------------ Posted-From: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, MA To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Simple Downloader Idea -- "Oops!" Date: Fri, 04 Sep 87 10:58:05 EDT From: jhs@mitre-bedford.ARPA David Young and John Dunning (both authors of kermit download programs themselves) pointed out to me that my suggestion of modifying the Avatex Modem people's "dumb terminal" BASIC program to download files contained a -- how shall I put it -- an oversimplification. (There, that doesn't make me sound too stupid now, does it?!) Unfortunately, -- since it really would be nice to have such a simple, type-in program -- in order to do disk I/O on the serial bus, you have to shut down or at least suspend RS-232 port operations. So just redirecting the output from the screen to the disk won't work. It gets pretty complicated, apparently. If anybody is working on the problem, one suggestion both Dunning and Young made was to buffer the data internally, presumably in a very long string variable, then after transmission was complete, to copy it out to a file. There would be a fairly stringent limit on file size that could be handled, like (wild guess) maybe 10K bytes. Whatever the limit, it would be too small to handle a program as big as CDY's OmniCom or Dunning's kermit65 in one chunk. It would be possible to break it up into 4 or so chunks and send them as separate files, then reassemble them at the other end. Another possibility would be to write an intermediate version of the program that has the flow control trickery in it to handle large files but is not a really nice, full-featured terminal emulator. But it could be short enough to download in one block, using the rudimentary, type-in version. Somebody out there who really needs it, please volunteer to be the chief nagger and tester! I apologize for my error. In my defense I can only say that anybody who got snookered into trying to make the program work will undoubtedly have learned a lot in the process! -John Sangster ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 87 14:43:09 GMT From: ihnp4!inuxc!inuxm!tob@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (T Burger) Subject: Re: BASIC XE To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu > > I purchased "BASIC XE" from OSS some time ago, and I realized > that I NEVER use atari BASIC anymore. My question is, can I yank out > the ATARI BASIC rom(s) and do a straight swap with the "XE" roms? I > would like to free up the bus connector for other uses, but can't > because this cartridge is ALWAYS installed. Has anyone ever done > this?? (I could handle more than a straight swap if someone has > the exact procedure.) > > Thanx in advance. What might be a better solution and certainly a simpler one is::: There is a company out there called 'ICD' that makes nice things for the 8-bit machines. One of them is an external 'MULTI IO' which plugs into the external bus of the XL machines. But what about the XE's you ask. For $19.95 they will sell you an adapter to plug into the XE's bus that converts into the XL's bus. On this adapter are two cartridge sockets. The sockets are identical, so you can't have two standard carts plugged in at the same time, but something like the 'R-TIME 8' cart could be in the other socket. The XL bus and the XE bus differ only by pin-out. This adapter will give you a place to plug your 'XE BASIC' and give you an XL bus pin-out. NOW to answer your question!! The 'XE BASIC' system is a bank switched cart. The Atari basic is not banked. While the mod is possible, it may not be easy, because of the bank switching required by the 'XE BASIC'. You can order from ICD via their BBS. 1-815-968-2229 As usual, I am not connected with ICD, just a happy customer!! Ted Burger ------------------------------ Date: 6 Sep 87 01:32:14 GMT From: decvax!sunybcs!canisius!vaughan@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Vaughan) Subject: TermCap for Atari 800 in Ascii communications mode To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu Has anyone defined a termcap for the Atari? If so would they send it to me? I get on our unix machine to transfers files using the atari and as you know it is a pain. We are running bsd 4.3. Any help in this matter would be of geat assistance! Thanks -------------- -------------- DEC VAX 11/750; 4.3 BSD UNIX & DEC VAX 8650; VMS 4.5 BITNET : vaughan@canisius UUCP : {cmc12,hao,harpo}!seismo!rochester!rocksvax!sunybcs!canisius!vaughan or ...{allegra,decvax,watmath}!sunybcs!canisius!vaughan CSNET : vaughan%canisius@CSNET-relay US MAIL: Thomas Vaughan/ Dept. of Comp. Sci./ Canisius College/ 2001 Main St./ Buffalo N.Y. 14208 ------------------------------ Date: 6 Sep 87 01:47:31 GMT From: decvax!watmath!hpchang@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (KILROY) Subject: 600XL Upgrade to 256k ? Where and How? To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu I would like to ask for your help in finding a way to upgrade the Atari 600xl to 256k. I would appreciate any help on this... Thanks in advance..... ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari8 Digest ************************** ------- -------------------END OF UNDELIVERED MESSAGE-------------------