Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ucla-cs!zen!ucbvax!infbs.UUCP!MAILER-DAEMON From: MAILER-DAEMON@infbs.UUCP.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 255 Message-ID: <8709080701.AB16005@infbs.uucp> Date: Mon, 7-Sep-87 14:27:37 EDT Article-I.D.: infbs.8709080701.AB16005 Posted: Mon Sep 7 14:27:37 1987 Date-Received: Wed, 9-Sep-87 01:42:18 EDT Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 469 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 Achim Loerke ... unknown mailer error 255 ----- Unsent message follows ----- Message-Id: <8709080701.AA16005@infbs.uucp> Received: by infbs.uucp with rscs; Tue, 8 Sep 87 09:01:28 -0200 Received: by dbsinf6.bitnet from dearn.bitnet (mailer) From: To: Achim Loerke Received: by DEARN (Mailer X1.24) id 2540; Tue, 08 Sep 87 08:58:40 CET Date: Mon 7 Sep 87 11:27:37 PDT Reply-To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Sender: INFO-ATARI16 Discussion Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was INFO-A16@MARIST Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V87 #328 Info-Atari16 Digest Monday, September 7, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 328 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Re: Memory Expansion Question Wanted: TeX, etc., for Atari ST (usa) Re: Butter Battle Re: Memory upgrades for *1040*ST looking for archives Yet another gem quirk Re: Flash's Kermit Accessory Re: X window system, anyone ? uniterm info needed Uniterm V1.8a 014 bugs... Re: STadel V3.1a Re: Butter Battle Re: need help: lattice c gem access Memory upgardes Idris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Sep 87 22:59:43 GMT From: tektronix!sequent!mntgfx!dclemans@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Clemans) Subject: Re: Memory Expansion Question To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu The Mega-ST/blitter ROM's seem to completely solve the problem of slow boots and slow process launches on large memory systems. In fact, comparing a 4 Meg system to a 2.5 Meg, original ROM system, the 4 Meg system is faster. dgc ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 87 16:18:00 GMT From: mckenney@acf3.nyu.edu (Alan Michael McKenney) Subject: Wanted: TeX, etc., for Atari ST (usa) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Is there a version of TeX available (in the USA) for the Atari ST? I have a 1040ST with a monochrome monitor. I would also like, if possible, drivers for popular (cheap, I hope) laser printers, a screen previewer, and maybe a version of METAFONT, as well as the fonts. I have occasionally heard reference in this newsgroup about such a version, but haven't been able to get any concrete information (who sells it, distributes it, etc.) Alan McKenney (Courant Institute, NYU) mckenney@acf2.nyu.edu (I think we are directly accessible from seismo...) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 87 04:49:49 GMT From: itsgw!leah!uwmcsd1!marque!ddsw1!gryphon!richard@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Richard Sexton) Subject: Re: Butter Battle To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <832@atari.UUCP> neil@atari.UUCP (Neil Harris) writes: > >Any chance of erecting a barrier against receiving notes posted to both >comp.sys.atari.st and comp.sys.amiga (or whatever it's called)? All the >notes containing both distributions are flames at each other. After 3 years >of this, it's pretty tiresome. ^^^^^^^^^ Yes, the flames are tiresome. The stuff about MIDI was good though. Ok, hear that guys ? No more flames. If you want to do that, move it to soc.{men|women} and take up your case with cheryl and ray frank. > >If you enjoy this sort of thing, I recommend the "Butter Battle Book" by Dr. >Suess. >-- or soc.* >--->Neil Harris, Director of Marketing Communications, Atari Corporation >UUCP: ...{hoptoad, lll-lcc, pyramid, imagen, sun}!atari!neil >GEnie: NHARRIS/ WELL: neil / BIX: neilharris / Delphi: NEILHARRIS >CIS: 70007,1135 / Atari BBS 408-745-5308 / Usually the OFFICIAL Atari opinion I have a few utilities I've written to drive a postscript printer. Nothing I'd want to post :-) but if any of you folks out there have access to a postscript printer, this stuff is fun to play with. Email me if you have a real need for these. Dont let those mac people hear this, they'll only brag about their quickdraw... -- Richard Sexton INTERNET: richard@gryphon.CTS.COM UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd, sdcsvax, ihnp4, nosc}!crash!gryphon!richard "It's too dark to put the key in my ignition..." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 87 12:13:01 EDT From: "Michael R. DeCorte" To: INFO-ATARI16@score.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Memory upgrades for *1040*ST > Gee maybe I worded something wrong. From what I heard the new ROM chips >can address up to one Gigabyte, in the HARD DISK. Not RAM. Understand what >I'm saying??? Well, correct me if I'm wrong. are you suggesting virtual memory? Hmmm that could be interesting comming from a company that can't get memory allocation correct even given a couple of years. They also can't seem to figure out how to remember what directories are in memory - boy directories are easy compared to page swaping. Also be cute trying to have virtual memory accross multiple partitions, remember that bothersome 32 Meg limit on your partitions, or is it 16 meg I forget. Oh and let's not forget the speed penalty. No I am not saying that VM systems are by nature slow but Atari has yet to figure out a way to read a disk drive at a resonable speed. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 87 02:03:26 GMT From: gatech!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!ncrlnk!ncrpcd!wright!jholbach@mcnc.org (Jim Holbach) Subject: looking for archives To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Do any program archives (source or binary) for the st exist that can be accessed remotely by message similar to the mod.sources archives? Also could some kind soul e-mail me a copy of uudecode that I could use to decode the UUCODE file that was recently distributed (encoded). Thanks. Jim Holbach jholbach@wright.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 87 22:43 ADT From: Subject: Yet another gem quirk To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu X-Original-To: "info-atari16@score.stanford.edu", FXDDR Nice to hear that Atari is backing away from PC clones and emulators. Somebody should lock the lot of them in the Atari compound and not let them out until they've rewritten the os from top to bottom, including 68020 support... One thing they could look at is this trick. My home ST has two drives. Some of my boot disks have a desktop.inf which opens windows on both A: and B:, no problem. However on a couple of occasions I've used the disks on a 1040ST with only the internal drive. When it asks me to insert B disk, I press return, and again when it asks for A, so I get both windows showing the same disk. Then I activate and close the B: window so it only shows A:. Now...I load an application and start to work. About this point I start getting the "data on drive A may be damaged" dialog. If I keep working, it gets weirder. Requests for files come back with error statuses. The file selector shows garbaged names. When I exit, the names in the window are trashed. Resetting doesn't help, but powering down and booting with a disk that doesn't refer to B: works, and the disk that had appeared trashed is fine. This has happened twice, once with an EasyDraw disk and once with Publishing Partner, and only when my two-drive boot disk is used. It is easy enough to avoid, but still annoying. At least one user here thinks that playing with drive B: on his single drive 1040 leads to trashed disks... Oh well. Don FXDDR@ALASKA.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 87 01:01:39 GMT To: INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU From: K538915%CZHRZU1A.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu Return-Receipt-To: K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET Subject: Re: Flash's Kermit Accessory There are at least two freeware or PD Kermit's available for the ST GEM Kermit by Bernhard Nebel (based on OS9 Kermit) and the one built in to UniTerm. GEM Kermit is available from Columbia, UniTerm from various servers, or from myself. An exerpt from the current UniTerm manual (V1.8a 020): UniTerm Kermit capabilities at a glance: Local operation: Yes Remote operation: No Transfers text files: Yes Transfers binary files: Yes Wildcard send: Yes ^X/^Y interuption: Yes Filename collision avoidance: Yes Can time out: Yes 8th-bit prefixing: Yes Repeat count prefixing: Yes Alternate block checks: Yes Terminal emulation: Yes (UniTerm) Communication settings: Yes (UniTerm) Transmit BREAK: Yes (UniTerm) IBM mainframe communications: Yes Transaction logging: No Session logging: No Act as server: No Talk to server: Yes Advanced server functions: No Advanced commands for servers: Yes Local file mangement: Yes Handle file attributes: Yes Command/init files: No Command macros: Yes (UniTerm) Large packets: Yes (max 2kB) Windows: No Complete enough? Simon Poole K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET PS: a longer note on the current status of UniTerm (1.8a released, 2.0 in the works) will be posted to the net next week. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 87 13:31:00 GMT From: adelie!mirror!datacube!ftw@XN.LL.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: X window system, anyone ? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu > store2@ihlpf.UUCP writes: > In article <5968@prls.UUCP>, gert@prls.UUCP (Gert Slavenburg) writes: > > Has anyone ported the X window server (stand alone or in some type > > of distributed environment) to the Atari ST hardware ? > > > > < two paragraphs about OS-9 and X-Windows deleted > > > The editor went on to mention that a program called IDRIS is coming out > with a UNIX (r) like operating system and that they would support > X-Windows. They mentioned that it was from Software Toolworks. I don't > know anything further. Hope this adds a little useful information. > > > Kit Kimes > AT&T--Information Systems Labs > ...ihnp4!iwvae!kimes Idris is indeed available for the ST. I don't know about Software Toolworks association with it, but I'm pretty sure that it is available from some folks called Computer Tools International in Washington State. CTI did the port of Idris to the ST. The Idris operating system for the 68K and other machines comes from Whitesmiths, Ltd. in Westford, MA. Farrell T. Woods Datacube Inc. Systems / Software Group 4 Dearborn Rd. Peabody, Ma 01960 VOICE: 617-535-6644; FAX: (617) 535-5643; TWX: (710) 347-0125 UUCP: ftw@datacube.COM, ihnp4!datacube!ftw {seismo,cbosgd,cuae2,mit-eddie}!mirror!datacube!ftw ------------------------------ Date: 6 Sep 87 01:35:00 GMT From: sdcrdcf!otto!mirror!datacube!mandy@hplabs.hp.com Subject: uniterm info needed To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu This is a message for the people who wrote UNITERM or whoever has source for it. I have Version 1.6G of Uniterm (I think) and I love it. The only problem is that the cursor disappears in 132 column mode which means I can only view files but not edit them. If there is a new version or if someone can send me the source I'd be very happy. Please post a response to this notesfile or send me mail. Thanks, Mandy ihnp4!datacube!mandy Datacube Inc., 4 Dearborn Road, Peabody, Ma. 01960 (617)-535-6644 ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 87 21:51:06 GMT From: zsr%psuvm.bitnet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Uniterm V1.8a 014 bugs... To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Hi there...has anyone had any problems with the user-definable function keys on Uniterm 1.8a 014? I just downloaded it from a server, and I don't really know what is the newest version. It seems that none of the shifted function keys work (e.g. [shift] [F10]). The first ten (unshifted) seem to work, and everything else seems to be fine. Is it my copy or is it a Uni-glitch? By the way, even if it is a Uni-glitch, I think that Uniterm is one of the best terminal programs availible and many people that I've talked to feel the same way. Mr. Poole is to be congratulated and thanked profusiously. -- Chris Johnson ZSR @ PSUVM CDJ @ PSUECL ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 87 02:07:56 GMT From: ihnp4!ihlpg!tainter@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Tainter) Subject: Re: STadel V3.1a To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <3760@ihlpg.ATT.COM>, tainter@ihlpg.ATT.COM (Tainter) writes: > STadel 3.1a is now officially done, UUCP gateway and all. It has been pointed out to me that the original posting had Orc's net address in error. It was: ...!ihmp4!meccts!stag!pell!orc (note the "m" in ihmp4) it should have been ...!ihnp4!meccts!stag!pell!orc (note the "n" in ihnp4) ------------------------------ Date: 6 Sep 87 20:36:21 GMT From: aplcen!jhunix!ins_bjjb@mimsy.umd.edu (Jared J Brennan) Subject: Re: Butter Battle To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <832@atari.UUCP> neil@atari.UUCP (Neil Harris) writes: >Any chance of erecting a barrier against receiving notes posted to both >comp.sys.atari.st and comp.sys.amiga (or whatever it's called)? All the >notes containing both distributions are flames at each other. After 3 years >of this, it's pretty tiresome. >--->Neil Harris, Director of Marketing Communications, Atari Corporation Adding the line /.*amiga.*/h:j to your kill file should do the trick. This should kill everything crossposted from there (I don't know about TO there, but it probably kills those, too). A similar line should work against comp.sys.ibm.pc, if necessary. This was cribbed from somebody's suggestion on how to avoid the spillovers from rec.arts.startrek and .drwho on rec.arts.sf-lovers. -- Jared J. Brennan BITNET: INS_BJJB@JHUVMS, INS_BJJB@JHUNIX ARPA: ins_bjjb%jhunix@hopkins.ARPA UUCP: {allegra!hopkins, seismo!umcp-cs, ihnp4!whuxcc} !jhunix!ins_bjjb Love is a dog from Hell. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Sep 87 20:16:08 GMT From: aplcen!jhunix!ins_bjjb@mimsy.umd.edu (Jared J Brennan) Subject: Re: need help: lattice c gem access To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <285UD138985@NDSUVM1> UD138985@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes: >I have been trying to use some simple Lattice C GEM ruotines. Everything >compiles fine, but when I try to link, all of my GEM calls turn up as >undefined symbols. I am linking with the C.LNK file that came with the >package with the line for the GEM library uncommented. In the linker >map fille it lists all of the symbols it takes out of the other libraries >and the name GEMLIB.BIN but the symbols are still undefined. I get a .PRG >file after the link, but it doesn't run. HELP! I have sent a letter to >Metacomcos tech support along with my registration number but have not >received a response for quite a while. Can someone who has been successful >with linking to GEM libraries please tell me what to do??? > Bob While not actually having tried using the GEM libraries at all, I did find GEMLIB.H mentioned in the Lattice C manual (v.3.03.04) as being "useful" in programs using GEM calls. -- Jared J. Brennan BITNET: INS_BJJB@JHUVMS, INS_BJJB@JHUNIX ARPA: ins_bjjb%jhunix@hopkins.ARPA UUCP: {allegra!hopkins, seismo!umcp-cs, ihnp4!whuxcc} !jhunix!ins_bjjb Love is a dog from Hell. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 87 02:22:08 GMT From: PT!andrew.cmu.edu!mh4x+@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Edward Hamill) Subject: Memory upgardes To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Can anybody supply a list of reliable memory upgrades for the 520? Mark Hamill ------------------------------ Date: 6 Sep 87 18:47:23 GMT From: cbosgd!mandrill!bammi@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Jwahar R. Bammi) Subject: Idris To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Jefferson Software is evaluating Idris. We will put our Modula 2 development system up in the next few weeks. Idris looks to be a very powerful development system. It comes with a lot of tools, and a huge library. The C compiler is very close to the proposed ANSI standard. It has the POSEX standard library and a lot of extra libraries to do IPC. It is currently in a 9MB partition on my HD and runs on a 520 quite nicely. Dial up works and we will try using the midi ports for a third line in. I did a quick benchmark and Idris looks comparable to the speed of the Alcyon compiler. I will do all the benchmarks bammi did on Idris including the dhrystone as soon as possable. We hope to use Idris (* with other STs running minix *) to develop in an environment that has tools and supports dial up. I am using this account cause I HAD to post, but do not have a feed from Usenet yet. That should be coming. Till then, we love talking and are available at: JS BBS (602)276-6102 1200 baud PC Pursuitable. Bix: JSModula GEnie: JSMODULA CIS: 73637,1245 Opinions expressed above are mine and not the opinions of Computer Tools International (206)838-4990 tell them I sent you, or Case Western, or J bammi, or my dogs. However, my dog agrees that Idris is pretty nifty. Gary Frederick Director Deep Research Jefferson Software -- usenet: {decvax,cbosgd,sun}!mandrill!bammi jwahar r. bammi csnet: bammi@mandrill.CWRU.edu arpa: bammi@mandrill.CWRU.edu compuServe: 71515,155 ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ************************** -------