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From: hays@apollo.uucp (John Hays)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix,comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: X-Windows for the Atari ST : let's DO IT.
Message-ID: <373200a5.9540@apollo.uucp>
Date: Thu, 10-Sep-87 11:01:00 EDT
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Posted: Thu Sep 10 11:01:00 1987
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Organization: Apollo Computer, Chelmsford, MA
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Keywords: X Window System Minix MIT Athena GEM Atari-ST Open Dialogue
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In article <6083@prls.UUCP> gert@prls.UUCP (Gert Slavenburg) writes:
>From the reactions that were published on the net OR directly mailed
>to me, it is clear that there is a lot of interest in X-windows on the
>Atari-ST.

>
>    The next time I write a large (I'm talking 500k source here) appli-
>    cation, I want it to run on VAXes, SUN's, Atari's, VAXstations, etc.
>

Don't forget Apollo [toot my employer's horn], IBM-RT, HP, Adobe [the 
postscript people], ... who are also on X and actually pushed it into 
the "STANDARDs" forefront.

>LET's work on our DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE from Atari !

MISTAKE!!!

If you really want this to be successful we must "beat Atari [Neil?] into submission"
and get them on the X Window System/[Mi|U]n*x/Open Dialogue* bandwagon. 

The case can easily be made to Atari that X Window System/Minix is essentially free
software for them to port to their machines.  The market wants it.  It opens the
door to a lot more software ... 

We want people who are not on USENET/ARPA/... to have access to this work as well and
if we can get the vendor to "support" it or at least distribute it. [MINIX PROMS?!!?]

Atari might even get a jump on Apple on this one and be more interesting to Schools.

It has been brought up before but X Window System is large, don't offer to port it unless
you have at least a 30-Meg drive.

There is some question as to whether the executable will fit into memory. (Perhaps Minix in
place of the TOS roms and X Window System on a cartridge.)

As far as an IPC ... Phil Karn's (karn@bellcore.com) TCP/IP implementation is being ported
to MINIX/UNIX and might be a good candidate... or the addition of Unix Domain Sockets to the
MINIX OS.

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I hope you can figure out the tradmarks (IBM/APPLE/HP/APOLLO/SUN/VAX/X Window System/ADOBE/
ATARI/Open Dialogue/...)
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* For those who are not familiar with Open Dialogue:

Open Dialogue is an extensible User Interface Management System (UIMS) created by Apollo for
use with the X Window System (and other window systems).  This package gives the ability to
create user interfaces with Menus/Scrollbars/Pop-Ups/OneOfs/Number Lines/... and user defined
techniques.  The application and the interface are logically divided such that multiple 
interfaces may be defined for a given application and it is frequently possible to generate
new user interfaces without recompiling or relinking the application (some implementation
issues here). [If you want more info contact Ross Chapman (apollo!chapman_r@eddie.mit.edu)]
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