Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ukma!uunet!van-bc!sl From: sl@van-bc.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.arch,comp.unix.wizards Subject: Re: 386 unix (was Re: 386 demand paged virtual memory) Message-ID: <1337@van-bc.UUCP> Date: Tue, 15-Sep-87 15:40:39 EDT Article-I.D.: van-bc.1337 Posted: Tue Sep 15 15:40:39 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 19-Sep-87 09:20:31 EDT References: <125@snark.UUCP> <299@nuchat.UUCP> <358@netxcom.UUCP> <306@nuchat.UUCP> <306@kksys.UUCP> Reply-To: sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) Organization: Public Access Network, Vancouver, BC. Lines: 62 Xref: utgpu comp.sys.ibm.pc:6898 comp.arch:2086 comp.unix.wizards:3987 In article <306@kksys.UUCP> gk@kksys.UUCP (Greg Kemnitz) writes: >... But I have heard that the Bell Technologies $99.00 ($399(?) with >manuals) 386 UNIX V port -is- shipping. Supposed to be a *full* >system including development and text processing. > >Their number is 800-ibm-UNIX and/or 800-FOR-UNIX. > $99 gets you two user runtime, no manuals. I don't know what is included in terms of actual software. $399 gets you unlimited user development system. Text processing (nroff/ditroff) not included. All manuals included: the Administrators Reference manual and Admistrators Guide, four Prentice Hall Paper back editions of User's/Programmer's Reference manuals and Guides AT&T 386 Release Notes ** Mild Flame ** Why couldn't Prentice Hall include a permuted index for their reference manuals. They are presented in the classic Unix style with a totally inadequate index which is basically the table of contents reformatted. It makes these books very hard to use. Prentice Hall should include a permuted index! ** Flame off ** So far I've found a few holes and annoyances. No man pages (formatted or unformatted) although the man command is there. The tar command is found in /etc/tar. No csh. The serial driver for the AT style serial ports (asy) seems to be totally insane although that might just be me, or the machine I'm running it on (a Bell Tech 386, aka Intel Mother board). I havn't been able to get it to work consistently with anything other than a terminal. Dhrystone with registers was 2184. Compiling 2.11 news from scratch was 11 minutes real time, with about 7 and 1 minutes of user and system time respectively. An immediate make clean, make redid it in about 9 minutes of real time, user and system where almost identical. One nice thing is the apparent absence of the pointer type problems which plagued Unix systems on previous Intel 80286 chips. News/rn came right up. No special problems. The Basic Networking Utilities (HDB UUCP) seem to work well, except for the usual problems of dealing with Hayes type modems. This is exaberated by the problems experienced with the serial drivers. Perhaps when the dust settles with them using smart modems will be no problem. Overall I'm quite happy with it. Bell Tech seems to be quite interested in getting problem reports and fixing things. Although it can sometimes take a few days for their tech support people to get back to you. -- {ihnp4!alberta!ubc-vision,uunet}!van-bc!Stuart.Lynne Vancouver,BC,604-937-7532