Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!wayback!atux01!steve From: steve@atux01.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: 4th Dimension comments Message-ID: <519@atux01.UUCP> Date: Fri, 28-Aug-87 15:35:30 EDT Article-I.D.: atux01.519 Posted: Fri Aug 28 15:35:30 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 30-Aug-87 02:29:15 EDT References: <1842@tekig5.TEK.COM> Organization: AT&T CSEd/CET, Piscataway, N.J. Lines: 76 Keywords: 4th Dimension, database Summary: Comments from a satisfied 4D user In article <1842@tekig5.TEK.COM>, danm@tekig5.TEK.COM (Daniel Milliron) writes: > > I have been using 4th Dimension from Acius, Inc. for the past couple weeks > and have two comments for the net -- one good, one bad. > > 1. First the Good: 4th Dimension is THE best database for the Mac. I have > seen nearly all the others and 4D beats them in power, reliability, and > ease of use (compared to the others as a group and not individually). 4D > is not perfect, however. I have made a list of ~8 not-terribly-important > bug-like "features" I have come across. I have another list of ~6 enhance- > ments I would appreciate seeing. BTW, Acius is working on the next version > and they welcome feedback, so I am sending them my lists. I certainly agree with you on this point, 4D is the best available. At the recent MacWorld Expo Adam Greene held a seminar showing the capabilities of 4D, Omnis 3+, Double Helix, and dBASE Mac, 4D certainly gets my vote as the most powerful, flexible, etc. In addition, like you I've had my copy of 4D for a couple of weeks and am very impressed with its combination of power and ease of use. There are certainly some things I'd like to change (moving back and forth between layouts, layout procedures, and global procedures can be a pain) but overall I'm a very satisfied customer. > 2. The Bad: Acius has a policy that I would like to change via pressure from > the network (if there is such a thing). I discovered this policy when I > phoned their tech support line. Here's what happened: > [ What followed was a discussion of Acius's use of Technical Notes to update registered developers on various aspects of programming with 4D. This included comments on their charge of $695 for their developer support program. ] It is not unusual in the industry to charge extra for an extra measure of support from a software publisher. In addition many companies make available additional information to users of their products through technical notes that usually have a limited distribution as opposed to being sent to every purchaser of the product (Note that Apple tech. notes are available through APDA for a fee or on many on-line services). The registered developer program has several benefits beyond the publishing of technical notes, these include: o 50% discount on up to 5 copies of 4D o 50% discount on runtime modules o a monthly mailing of tech notes, 4D news, and special offers o unlimited tech support via phone, MCI Mail, or Applelink o free upgrades or enhancements to 4D o invitations to 4D developer training sessions As mentioned in your article Acius does make their tech notes available through Compuserve, so you don't have to join their program to obtain them. The documentation that comes with 4D is very complete although not always as clear as I would like in certain areas. To suggest that Acius supplement their documentation with the information in the technical notes for every purchaser of 4D seems unnecessary. I personally know of no software publisher sending free monthly documentation updates to their registered owners. Regarding the turnaround time for getting your technical question answered by Acius, I haven't had the need to give them a call yet (although I have been having a problem in a layout procedure that I'd like to discuss with them), so I can't really comment on their telephone support or their 'cockiness' as you put it. However, Guy Kawasaki, at MacWorld did mention that what Acius would like to have is 'fans' using their product, not just customers, so if there is a problem in obtaining tech support I imagine Acius would be willing to listen to any complaints and take some appropriate action. Steve Michaele @ AT&T Disclaimer: The opinions expressed above are my own and do not reflect those of my employer, those involved in the contra-gate scandal, or anyone else who might be offended by them. I have no direct connection with Acius, Inc. aside from being a satisfied customer and a member of their developer support program.