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From: richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.misc
Subject: Re: Suns, support, less money
Message-ID: <1475@gryphon.CTS.COM>
Date: Wed, 9-Sep-87 04:53:04 EDT
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Posted: Wed Sep  9 04:53:04 1987
Date-Received: Fri, 11-Sep-87 01:13:49 EDT
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Reply-To: richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton)
Followup-To: comp.sys.misc or talk.bizarre, I dont care which.
Organization: Trailing Edge Technology, Redondo Beach, CA
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Keywords: Workstations
Summary: Price of 'Technical workstations' these days.
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In article <20548@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> oster@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu.UUCP (David Phillip Oster) writes:
>In article <668@uokmax.UUCP> rob@uokmax.UUCP (Robert K. Shull) writes:
>>Tsk, tsk. NEVER mention "Sun", "support", and "less money" all in the same
>>breath. You're just asking for it.
>
>In case you are curious, here is a posting that appeared recently in the Sun

[...]

>
>This is a rehashed topic, but with the base price of a 16" color Sun-3/60C
>being under $10K ($9900), which translates to $6930 for those places lucky
>enough to have 30% discounts, it's really time to start looking seriously
>at this machine.  The problem of course is that Sun is Not In The Disk Business
>Thus, to get the minimum level of functionality out of the machine as a
>standalone, you have to get the 141 Mbyte SCSI/ESDI disk & 60 Mbyte 1/4" tape.
>This lists for $6500 (/$4550 @ 30%); in other words, almost 65-70% of the cost
>of the machine itself.  Ouch.
>
>(---- end included material ---)
>so at $6500+$9900=$16,400.00 (list) or 
>$6930+$4550=$11,480.00 (university discount) for a usable bottom of the
>line color sun, versus the Mac II prices, I know which I'd rather buy.
>
>So please, if you think the Sun is in the same price range as the Mac II,
>think again before you post. They are two very different machines.

[...]

>
>--- David Phillip Oster            --My Good News: "I'm a perfectionist."


          DESKTOP TECHNICAL WORKSTATIONS (MONOCHROME) VS. PCs
          ===================================================

              SUN      APOLLO       VAX        IBM           APPLE
              ---      ------       ---        ---           -----

Model        3/50M     DN3000L     2000      PS 80-071       Mac II
Chip        MC68020    MC68020   uVAX78032    80386          MC68020
MIPS          1.5        1.2        0.9(1)     2.0             1.2
Max Mem       4MB         ?          ?        16MB             8MB
Display       19"        19"        15"        12"             12"
Res.       1152x900   1280x1024  1024x864   640x480          640x480
Disk         282MB       348MB     318MB      230MB           80MB
Price(2)   $9,995(3)   $9,490(3)  $11,300    $13,370         $13,350

(1) New systems to be announced at 3.0 MIPS
(2) With 71 MB hard disk and cartridge tape
(3) Available diskless with server for $5,000 less

Source: Sun Microsystems and Apollo Computer


Disclaimer: I read it in Infoworld, so it *must* be true.

-- 
Richard J. Sexton
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