Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!uw-beaver!ssc-vax!benoni From: benoni@ssc-vax.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc Subject: Re: 386 v '020/Small wkstns vs. big pc's Message-ID: <1432@ssc-vax.UUCP> Date: Fri, 18-Sep-87 02:45:50 EDT Article-I.D.: ssc-vax.1432 Posted: Fri Sep 18 02:45:50 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 19-Sep-87 16:26:01 EDT References: <1376@imagen.UUCP> <116@faccs.UUCP> <509@sbcs.UUCP> <1179@pdn.UUCP> <1523@gryphon.CTS.COM> Organization: Boeing Aerospace Corp., Seattle WA Lines: 40 Keywords: sun macintosh Summary: sun 3/60, mac II In article <1523@gryphon.CTS.COM>, richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: > >> 3. the macintosh ii is expandable while the sun 3/50 is not. > >> if you want to compare hardware and their costs, a comparision > >> between a sun 3/160 and a macintosh ii would be more useful. > > > >This depends on whether you need to expand it or not. Many people will > >be satisfied with ethernet, disk and tape drive as the only peripherals. > > True. The Apollo though, is both cheap and expandable (AT slots). > Another alternative which is interesting is the NEW sun 3/60 (not to be confused with the Sun 3/160). The machine is expandable to 24 meg of memory, built in Ethernet, 20 Mhz 68020, 20 Mhz 68881, Full Unix (SunOS), three compilers (fortran, C, Pascal), Support for high resolution color (double the Mac II) or 1600x1280 Monochrome or 1052x900 monochrome..or an 1052x900 grayscale... Incidentally it is probably more worthwhile to compare the Mac II to a Sun 3/60 or Sun 3/110 (this one has a VME-bus - which is expandable). Sun also sells (for $100) NeWS...and X is also available... i have given up on Apollo producing a decent Unix system.....otherwise i would consider them. Also I have seen to many Apollo hardware illnesses (such is the problem of dealing with 50+ machines...you get more problems than you really care to see). The Mac II is expandable hardware-wise however the type of expansion I would consider for the machine would be a better monitor and video card combination that would double the 640x480 resolution...(both Apollo and Sun give you around 1000x1000 outright) Additionally the Mac II starts with 2 meg and you have to buy 2 meg (to get where Sun/Apollo are)... (also starts with 4 bit planes and you have to buy to get where Sun at with 8 ) The Mac II winds up nickle and diming you to death. Finally...there is no word how much A/UX costs for the Mac II... (which brings up do they have an MMU?) Recently MacWeek ran a comparison between the Sun 3/60 and the Mac II. The article actually FAVORED the Sun 3/60.