Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!mandrill!hal!ncoast!allbery From: allbery@ncoast.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards Subject: Re: Free Software Foundation (was: Re: Mach, the new standard?) Message-ID: <4299@ncoast.UUCP> Date: Tue, 1-Sep-87 17:44:04 EDT Article-I.D.: ncoast.4299 Posted: Tue Sep 1 17:44:04 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 3-Sep-87 03:31:42 EDT References: <1665@ncr-sd.SanDiego.NCR.COM> <8381@utzoo.UUCP> <797@Pescadero.ARPA> <2283@xanth.UUCP> <596@sugar.UUCP> Reply-To: allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) Followup-To: comp.unix.wizards Organization: Cleveland Public Access UN*X, Cleveland, Oh Lines: 81 [comp.os.misc deleted because ncoast doesn't get it and inews got upset at me for trying to post to it. Maybe someone should copy it there for me, and remove comp.unix.wizards from it at the same time: it really doesn't belong here. ++bsa] As quoted from <596@sugar.UUCP> by peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva): +--------------- | > GNU Project alone. The GNU system is being developed so ALL of us can | > use it, so we all should pitch in. Think how much sooner the GNU | > system would be completed if each one of us were to take one small | > part of the project and work on it in our spare time. | | The problem is that the GNU project isn't being developed for ALL of us to | use it, just the ones with virtual memory. I think they're too optimistic | about the power of future machines. I don't think personal computers will | have VM for a long time yet. | | This means that there's no incentive to work for GNU... we won't get anything | for it... and even if we wanted to help them out anyway we don't have the VM | machines to do the work on. | | Also, VM isn't always appropriate. You can't do real-time with VM, for example. | | Maybe we need a LLAMA project: Little League Amateur Mach Analog. | -- | -- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!seismo!soma!uhnix1!sugar!peter | -- U <--- not a copyrighted cartoon :-> ----- News saved at 1 Sep 87 21:41:43 GMT As quoted from <596@sugar.UUCP> by peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva): +--------------- | The problem is that the GNU project isn't being developed for ALL of us to | use it, just the ones with virtual memory. ... | Maybe we need a LLAMA project: Little League Amateur Mach Analog. +--------------- Some of us are in the process of making MINIX into a useful operating system. It's possible that a rewrite of the MINIX kernel to replace AST's code with something not copyrighted by Prentice-Hall will be done as part of this, resulting in a truly PD UNIX for the smaller computer. (Unfortunately, we're hamstringed by the fact that the compiler and linker are copyrighted by CCA, and they're not even playing ball with the Minix owners (we still aren't allowed to use the 1.2 compiler!), much less the PD folks. A total reimplementation of the compiler system from scratch is indicated....) -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc {{harvard,mit-eddie}!necntc,well!hoptoad,sun!mandrill!hal}!ncoast!allbery ARPA: necntc!ncoast!allbery@harvard.harvard.edu Fido: 157/502 MCI: BALLBERY <> ** Site "cwruecmp" has changed its name to "mandrill". Please re-address ** *** all mail to ncoast to pass through "mandrill" instead of "cwruecmp". *** Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.os.misc Subject: Re: Free Software Foundation (was: Re: Mach, the new standard?) References: <1665@ncr-sd.SanDiego.NCR.COM> <8381@utzoo.UUCP> <797@Pescadero.ARPA> <2283@xanth.UUCP> <596@sugar.UUCP> Reply-To: allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) Followup-To: comp.unix.wizards Distribution: Organization: Cleveland Public Access UN*X, Cleveland, Oh As quoted from <596@sugar.UUCP> by peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva): +--------------- | The problem is that the GNU project isn't being developed for ALL of us to | use it, just the ones with virtual memory. ... | Maybe we need a LLAMA project: Little League Amateur Mach Analog. +--------------- Some of us are in the process of making MINIX into a useful operating system. It's possible that a rewrite of the MINIX kernel to replace AST's code with something not copyrighted by Prentice-Hall will be done as part of this, resulting in a truly PD UNIX for the smaller computer. (Unfortunately, we're hamstringed by the fact that the compiler and linker are copyrighted by CCA, and they're not even playing ball with the Minix owners (we still aren't allowed to use the 1.2 compiler!), much less the PD folks. A total reimplementation of the compiler system from scratch is indicated....) -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc {{harvard,mit-eddie}!necntc,well!hoptoad,sun!mandrill!hal}!ncoast!allbery ARPA: necntc!ncoast!allbery@harvard.harvard.edu Fido: 157/502 MCI: BALLBERY <> ** Site "cwruecmp" has changed its name to "mandrill". Please re-address ** *** all mail to ncoast to pass through "mandrill" instead of "cwruecmp". ***