Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!rutgers!bellcore!buzz!nrh From: nrh@buzz.bellcore.com (Nat Howard) Newsgroups: soc.women,news.admin Subject: Re: I ain't afraid of no Batwoman Message-ID: <2178@bellcore.bellcore.com> Date: Wed, 31-Dec-69 18:59:59 EDT Article-I.D.: bellcore.2178 Posted: Wed Dec 31 18:59:59 1969 Date-Received: Wed, 26-Aug-87 05:47:49 EDT References: <2073@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> <0@novax.nowhere.nodom> <7215@alice.UUCP> <6077@sri-unix.ARPA> <863@hao.UCAR.EDU> <1442@epimass.EPI.COM> Sender: news@bellcore.bellcore.com Reply-To: nrh@bellcore.bellcore.com (Nat Howard) Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown NJ Lines: 26 Keywords: censorship silencing Xref: mnetor soc.women:6615 news.admin:895 Joe Buck draws an important distinction between what was said and what was done, and then errs by saying that what was said by Mr. Nobody (instructions on how to sabotage someone) is somehow more worthy of censorship than instructions *to* censor someone. Let's leave the censorship ideas to folks afflicted with central controls, shall we? And at the same time let's recognize that yes, news admins implementing censorship are doing something incredibly tacky and inviting reprisal. To my mind, the *advocacy* of censorship (either in the form of "Just do this to get rid of X's postings" or in the form: "News Admins of the world, UNITE -- and blow this guy's postings away") are equally misguided. It's rather like having the Nazis march in Skokie: what they say is monstrous, evil, disgusting, and small-minded, but so long as they confine themselves to *saying* things (however awful) they are not engaged in activities that should bring down *administrative* controls on them. Free speech includes speech advocating non-free-speech. For the record, I'd be interested in who Mr. Nobody is, but then I was the sort of boy who used to turn over rocks to see what was under them. Any followups dealing mainly with the Skokie incident, or with free speech in general should go to talk.politics.misc, please.