Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!watdcsu!bmaraldo From: bmaraldo@watdcsu.UUCP Newsgroups: rec.audio,sci.physics,sci.electronics Subject: Re: Mercury Filled Speaker Wire Message-ID: <3837@watdcsu.waterloo.edu> Date: Mon, 14-Sep-87 12:23:54 EDT Article-I.D.: watdcsu.3837 Posted: Mon Sep 14 12:23:54 1987 Date-Received: Wed, 16-Sep-87 04:27:44 EDT References: <3827@watdcsu.waterloo.edu> <551@unisoft.UUCP> Reply-To: bmaraldo@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (Commander Brett Maraldo) Organization: Unit 36 Research Lines: 53 Xref: utgpu rec.audio:2749 sci.physics:2076 sci.electronics:1164 In article <551@unisoft.UUCP> jef@unisoft.UUCP (Jef Poskanzer) writes: > In the referenced article, I wrote: > >I can hear differences between audio cables. I can not report any > >differences under controlled double-blind tests because I have never > >taken part in one. > > Whenever I come across one of these "Emperor's New Ears" types I always > ask him about double-blind tests. It's refreshing for once to find one > who freely admits his lack of interest in the scientific method. I agree that double-blind testing is a method of discovering differences, or lack there-of, in two or more different audio systems. This can also be said for any method of system evaluation, the question is which method provides the most accurate results. Double-blind testing seems to be the most accepted method by those who understand the importance of accurate test results. But is double-blind testing the definitive test method? This is certainly and arguable point, as it is as objective as the golden-ear phenomenon. I do not feel that a simple double-blind test can report more accurate data than an extended listening test. For me, a double-blind test must be rigorous, extended, and thorough; that is, there must be a large number of people involved in the evaluation, and the test procedure must be overseen by at least one member of a group of potentially biased individules (one audio engineer, physicist, golden ear, and stereo salesman). As each procedure is concluded, the overseeres must unanimously agree that the procedure was unbiased before enumerating the results. The listening environment must differ between anechoic and very 'alive', with each group listening in the different situations; one listening environment does not suffice. Unfortunately, this test senario is rarely implemented, let alone documented as it would be very expensive and time consuming. I have yet to read about a double-blind test with and description of test procedure and environment. Most audio magazines report that they have conducted a double-blind test but do not embellish on the procedure; I can not take these reviews seriously. What I do take seriously are what my ears hear. If I hear a difference between signal cable, you can not argue that I do not hear that difference. You can, how ever, argue that my perception is not accurate due to some bias or other influence. This same argument can be overlayed on a poorly conducted double-blind test and most do not meet the requirements of an unbiased controlled environment procedure. Brett L Maraldo -- -------- Unit 36 Research --------- "Alien Technology Today" ------------------------------------------- bmaraldo@watdcsu