Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!husc6!rutgers!ucla-cs!cit-vax!tybalt.caltech.edu!awr From: awr@tybalt.caltech.edu.UUCP Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space Subject: Re: Things aint so bad Message-ID: <4004@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu> Date: Thu, 17-Sep-87 17:18:57 EDT Article-I.D.: cit-vax.4004 Posted: Thu Sep 17 17:18:57 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 19-Sep-87 07:07:18 EDT References: <13312@amdahl.amdahl.com> <7973@think.UUCP> <8561@utzoo.UUCP> <8583@utzoo.UUCP> <477@eplrx7.UUCP> Sender: news@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu Reply-To: awr@tybalt.caltech.edu.UUCP (Bruce Rossiter) Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 78 Xref: linus sci.space.shuttle:323 sci.space:2860 In article <477@eplrx7.UUCP> lad@eplrx7.UUCP (Lawrence Dziegielewski) writes: >In article <8583@utzoo.UUCP>, henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) writes: >> Quite true: they have *no* launch systems that are grounded for 2+1/2 >> years after a single failure. After the last Proton failure, the delay > >The shuttle was grounded for a good reason, and when it flies again I'd >send my own grandmother up on one, with me sitting right next to her. > The chance that you will ever get a chance to fly in the shuttle, even if you *could* afford the cost, is very, very slight. The costs now are prohibitive, and show *no* sign at all of going down. And the flights are backed up with missions to keep the Shuttle full for years, even with a launch every month!! The Space telescope, the Mars Observer, the Galileo mission.....all waiting on the ground (at immense cost, I might add) beause the US space program is locked up. >> before the next Proton launch was (as I recall) a whole 11 days. The >> Soviet hardware indeed cannot compare to the shuttle; when it comes to > > >What does that prove? That the Soviets are more advanced than we are? >Hardly. > Right. Everybody know that communists can't have any technology. Please ignore the propaganda from both Soviet and US sources that the Soviets are launching satellites that work into orbits that are stable while the US is sitting on the ground doing none of that. It's all lies. >> on the Soviet program, there is an Energia with a shuttle on its back on >> the pad at Baikonur as we speak. (Doesn't mean a launch will happen soon, >> > >So? When will it fly. Others beleive the Russian Shuttle is a mockup, a >non-working hoax. I think you're years away from a launch. Years. > Years, huh? I think I've heard that word before...let me look. Oh yes, here it is: US Space Shuttle has been grounded for over 2 *years*. I don't see what good our Shuttle does, if it doesn't fly..... But this must all be propaganda, too. Damn Communists. >> Net shuttle performance for the last year and a half: zero. Or negative >> if you count all the money going into it. There have been 15 or so Proton > >No kidding. And I beleive there's good reasons for it. But when it flies >again, we'll see regular shuttle launches and a VERY reliable system. > Oh goody. Does "regular shuttle launches" mean that we will: 1) Get all the backedup payloads launched 2) Have enough space to provide launch capability to European countries and our own country as well? and how long until this schedule starts? And will the European community ever trust our space program again? >> > The Soviets do not have the capability of transporting payloads into space >> > and returing with other payloads. >> They don't have the capability -- until the Energia-shuttle goes up -- of >> *returning* major payloads to Earth. But even the US shuttle didn't do a >> whole lot of that. > >You might as well hope for the Second Coming, becuase it'll happen before >the Soviet Shuttle flies. > Thank you, Jerry Falwell. I think I saw the article you got this fact from -- oh yes, page 3 of last weeks National Inquirer. "Christ to return before Soviet Shuttle Launch" > Lawrence A. Dziegielewski | E.I. Dupont Co. -Bruce ---------- ARPAnet awr@tybalt.caltech.edu BITNET awr@caltech.BITNET UUCP {amdahl,rutgers}!cit-vax!tybalt.caltech.edu!awr