Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site hoptoad.uucp Path: utzoo!hoptoad!tim From: tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney) Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk Subject: Re: who does it... // State of the art today? Message-ID: <3050@hoptoad.uucp> Date: Thu, 24-Sep-87 07:35:47 EDT Article-I.D.: hoptoad.3050 Posted: Thu Sep 24 07:35:47 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 26-Sep-87 09:34:31 EDT References: <4319@spool.wisc.edu> <3048@hoptoad.uucp> Reply-To: tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney) Organization: Sun Microsystems, TOPS Division, Berkeley Lines: 39 John, you're pretty much right about the state of the art. I wouldn't bet on any serious neuro-electric interfacing being done in the next two decades. There are a *lot* of problems. You can't just stick wires into neurons. First, sensory and muscular axons are often very long - some are several feet long - and it is hard to see how many of the cyberpunk wonder toys could avoid cutting neurons. After cutting the neuron, you have to jam some kind of genetically engineered substitute against the raw end (and fast; cells are not very happy when they don't have any nuclei), and the technaiuqes for making something to do this just don't exist. Second, neural connections are complicated, with amazingly small features determining their topology. What's more, the features change over time, and any artificial add-on would have to do the same. Third, neurons are not the same from person to person. The nervous system works out its own codes and patterns in the course of development, and it is well established that small differences during development blossom into large differences later. Albinism is particularly interesting in this respect. Somehow the add-on systems would have to adapt to the idiosyncracies of each particular nervous system. Fourth, the synaptic junction is still fairly mysterious. A lot of the physical chemistry and physics has been worked out; a lot hasn't. My understanding, such as it is, comes from a few semesters of graduate-level courses on sensory processes and physiological psychology, and a good deal of outside reading. For anyone who wants to get a good, reasonably current, and well-balanced treatment of the human nervous system, I would recommend Jean-Pierre Changeux, "Neuronal Man", Oxford Paperbacks, 1985 (Dr. Laurence Garey, translator). And before closing, I'd like to make it clear that though the obstacles are formidable, I expect to see amazing breakthroughs before the end of my natural lifespan (I'm 25). -- Tim Maroney, {ihnp4,sun,well,ptsfa,lll-crg}!hoptoad!tim (uucp) hoptoad!tim@lll-crg (arpa)