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From: alastair@geovision.UUCP (Alastair Mayer)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: What is alt.cyberpunk?
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Date: Sun, 27-Sep-87 16:32:34 EDT
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Summary: Cyberpunk is older than you think...


Going along with the SF subgenre definition of cyberpunk,  I would
point out that it predates - by 10 or 15 years - what most people
seem to call the origins of cyberpunk.
   I'm referring specifically to some of John Brunner's stuff,
particularly "Stand On Zanzibar" published in (I think) 1967.  It
definitely has the gritty future, the cyber slant (Shalmanezer),
the network - although granted, not the 'cyberspace' of Gibson's
"Neuromancer" or Vinge's "True Names".
   Some of Brunners other works from that period could also be
lumped into that group: "The Jagged Orbit" and "Shockwave Rider",
for example.
   Cyberpunk?  It's just another crest following the trough behind
the "New Wave".


  Hmm, for that matter, is Harlan Ellison's "I Have No Mouth And
I Must Scream" cyberpunk?

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