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From: gsmith@BOSCO.BERKELEY.EDU.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Illegal Flame
Message-ID: <8709212223.AA01460@ronzoni>
Date: Mon, 21-Sep-87 18:23:16 EDT
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Posted: Mon Sep 21 18:23:16 1987
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Reply-To: ronzoni!gsmith (Gene Ward Smith)
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In article <3002@hoptoad.uucp> tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney) writes:
>In article <8709190834.AA00278@chex> chex!gsmith (Gene Ward Smith) writes:

>> It seems to me that people should have a right to post articles
>>without other people writing to their sysadmins with claims that
>>they are engaging in an illegal conspiracy by doing so.

>It was about you and Matthew.  Have you any ideas what made your behavior
>worthy of this honor, while other quite obnoxious people did not earn it?

  A few. I've been seriously wondering (this is true) if you've been
having stress-related problems, or some other emotional upset. Laura
told me you suspeected me of being Matthew Wiener. But I really don't
know the answer.

>Could it be that no one else has ever
>flamed me every day for weeks at a time?
 
  Once again, it sounds to me like your gripe was with Matthew Wiener.
Nor is that a good reason to try to kick someone off the net, in
my opinion. It was morally repulsive of you to first drag me
into it, then try to get me into trouble over it. You owe me an
aopology, Tim, and I don't think I'm going to collect.

>Could it possibly have something to do with the fact that in one of your
>collaborative attacks, an idiotic song to the tune of "Rudolph the Red-Nosed
>Reindeer" on rec.arts.comics, you admitted that you were trying to force me
>to leave the network, and therefore were escalating the conflict beyond what
>anyone else had done in six years?

  The "Rudolf" flame, one of the few (two, I think it was) I
co-signed, was co-signed because I helped Matthew out with his
scansion; and it was a silly parody of a Christmas carol, not the
dark annoucement of a sinster conpspiricy.  This is deranged, Tim,
absolute madness! And remember, this also was *after* you started
in on me.

>You remember that message, don't you,
>Gene, the one with the line "Won't you leave the net tonight?"  Have you got
>the gumption to post the stanza that contained it?  Doesn't it bother you in
>the least that you overtly tried to force me off the network, then acted the
>innocent when I returned the favor?

  Saying "won't you leave the net tonight" in a poem based on Rudolf the
Red-Nosed Reindeer is an attempt to "force" you off the net. Ladies and
Germs in the adience, I submit that this is deranged.

>The fact is that if you had simply stopped attacking me after I complained,
>that would have been the end of it.

  I *started* after you complained, since then you were after me. This is
dumb, fella!

>Instead, you stepped up the attacks.
>Even after Matthew was told by the department chairman that his account was
>in jeapordy, he didn't stop. 

  I know nothing of this. Do you?

>Now, here's an offer.  If you and Matthew promise to pretend on the network
>that I don't exist, mentioning not my name nor any epithet you may come up
>with as a synonym nor any message of mine nor any opinion commonly
>identified with me, I will recommend to Dr. Addison and Peter Rauch that
>Matthew's accounts be reinstated. 

  You'll need to take that up with Matthew.

>Because you have shown that you cannot
>handle disagreement without these extreme lapses, it is not enough to agree
>not to attack me; such an agreement would be violated within the first week.

  BTW, I'm not even in any trouble here that I know about. So you
proposed agreement to let me keep using my account is a little silly.

>And please, keep in mind that I don't have to do this.  You started a war
>and lost.

  This is FALSE. You and Matthew started this war, you lying,
conniving, self-righteous little weasel. 


ucbvax!brahms!gsmith    Gene Ward Smith/Brahmsgangster/Berkeley CA 94720
                 "Your notation sucks!"  Serge Lang