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From: mwm@eris.UUCP
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Subject: Re: Mark Ethan Smith: For real?
Message-ID: <5286@jade.BERKELEY.EDU>
Date: Thu, 1-Oct-87 06:27:56 EDT
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Posted: Thu Oct  1 06:27:56 1987
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Reply-To: mwm@eris.BERKELEY.EDU (Mike (My watch has windows) Meyer)
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In article <1535@epimass.EPI.COM> jbuck@epimass.EPI.COM (Joe Buck) writes:
<Yes, MES's [...] And given that he is charged money for use of
<violet.berkeley.edu and his only use of the system is for news and
<mail, it seems reasonable for him to expect that they will be
<maintained.

Given that logic, it would seem reasonable for me to expect Cray-like
performance from the Well if I buy time on it for running jobs of that
size. Fortunately, the world doesn't work that way. You can't force
someone to sell you that which they don't wish to sell.

The UCB Computer Center exists to provide computing services to the
UCB campus and related organizations. There is a well-defined set of
services that that community requires, and we try to keep those
maintained. Netnews is *not* part of that set of services. It is
provided on an as-is basis along with basic services, and is
maintained as time permits.

As a service to people outside the UCB community, we sell those same
services to them. This is discouraged, as this is not a primary use
for our resources. As such, we add a 100% surcharge to encourage such
users to look elsewhere for services. MESs account fits into this
category.

In short, MES is paying too much to obtain a service that we're not
really geared to providing. Moving to a machine that provides netnews
as a primary service, with a price structure designed to be
competitive instead of discourage use, is highly recommended in this
case.

Finally, the problems with netnews are very low priority because they
are transient, and there is a workaround. If MES asks, I'll gladly
explain the workaround.

	<mike
--
I went down to the hiring fair,				Mike Meyer
For to sell my labor.					mwm@berkeley.edu
I noticed a maid in the very next row,			ucbvax!mwm
I hoped she'd be my neighbor.				mwm@ucbjade.BITNET