Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!rutgers!ucla-cs!zen!ucbvax!decvax!ima!minya!jc From: jc@minya.UUCP (jc) Newsgroups: comp.std.internat,sci.lang Subject: Re: Computers and human languages (was Re: What is a byte) Message-ID: <203@minya.UUCP> Date: Sun, 20-Sep-87 16:31:33 EDT Article-I.D.: minya.203 Posted: Sun Sep 20 16:31:33 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 20-Sep-87 23:39:12 EDT Organization: home Lines: 33 Summary: English has an accented letter.... Xref: mnetor comp.std.internat:250 sci.lang:1429 > I would be quite surprized if English and Russian were the only languages > with no accented letters, when a letter is regarded as accented only when it > is alphabetized the same as the original form. > > By the way, does Greek use accented letters? Indeed it does. Proper spelling in Greek requires rather frequent accents on vowels; it is rare to see more that 2 or 3 words go by without one. Some even have two: Initial vowels may have either of two 'aspiration' marks that are useless in modern Greek (one of which used to indicate an initial [h]), in addition to the main accent. There's also a cute historical quibble to the effect that English actually has an accented letter: 'i'. This is one of many letters that ultimately derives from Greek, where the dot is in fact an accent on the iota, which is properly dotless. The really weird thing in English is that we use the accent mark on the lower-case letter, but not on the upper-case 'I'. This is basically a result of historic ignorance, confusion, illiteracy, and so on, in the development of the late Latin alphabet into a 2-case form. The Greek iota can have accents (or not) in either case. Also, modern Turkish uses both the dotted and undotted 'i', to make a phonetic distinction like the vowels in 'beet' and 'bit'. The Turkish capital, Istanbul, properly has a dot over the 'I', for instance, but it's hard to do in ASCII. According to the above definition, since 'I' and 'i' are alphabetized the same in English, I would conclude that English has an accented letter! (;-) (Quick, someone point out the other accented letter in English.) [Hmmm...Is 't' really an accented 'l'? Now you're getting really weird!] -- John Chambers <{adelie,ima,maynard}!minya!{jc,root}> (617/484-6393)