Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!quick!srg From: srg@quick.COM (Spencer Garrett) Newsgroups: comp.std.internat,sci.lang Subject: accented alphabets and computers Message-ID: <120@quick.COM> Date: Sun, 20-Sep-87 05:41:53 EDT Article-I.D.: quick.120 Posted: Sun Sep 20 05:41:53 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 20-Sep-87 23:41:02 EDT Organization: Quicksilver Engineering, Seattle Lines: 28 Xref: mnetor comp.std.internat:252 sci.lang:1431 I'm the one who posted the remark about English and Russian being the only two languages written using unaccented alphabets. Perhaps I should have made the distinction more clear. By "unaccented" I meant "written without overstrikes" and "sorted one letter at a time in a fixed order". These characteristics make dealing with computers a darn sight easier, and thus represent advantages in this context. By this metric modern English and Russian qualify. We use accents in English only to write foreign words which use modified Roman alphabets. We transliterate other languages because a) few people would even be able to pronounce the words, much less understand them and b) we often don't have the facilities to render other writing schemes. The Russian letters "yo" and "e kratkoe" are not accented letters by this definition. They have their own keys on typewriters, their own place in the collating sequence, and presumably their own values in whatever character code Russian computers use (RSCII ?). The only exceptions which have come to my attention are minor languages which use the English alphabet, presumably because they were codified by English-speaking missionaries and such. I don't mean to imply by all this that I think other languages are inferior and should be changed or forgotten, but I do think this observation helps explain why English is so often used to talk to computers even in non-English-speaking countries. With the advent of configurable keyboards and bitmapped screens (I know a Russian major who does all her papers on a Macintosh) we could conceivably "fix" this problem for some languages (e.g. the Scandinavian group) by giving the accented letters their own keys and character codes, at the cost of a proliferation of standards. The cost of implementing a "superset" standard is unfortunately unacceptable. (Imagine merely doubling the size of all the "text" files on your system!) I don't think there will ever be a *solution* to this problem, just various ways of dealing with its existence.