Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!ucbvax!WALKER-EMH.ARPA!InfoMail-Mailer From: InfoMail-Mailer@WALKER-EMH.ARPA.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit Subject: Undeliverable Mail Message-ID: <8709270630.AA11399@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Sun, 27-Sep-87 02:21:00 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8709270630.AA11399 Posted: Sun Sep 27 02:21:00 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 27-Sep-87 21:38:30 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 194 Mail was not delivered to the following users because there were bad address(es) in TO and/or CC field(s): info-atari UNDELIVERED-MESSAGE: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Received: from BBN.COM by WALKER-EMH.ARPA ; 27 Sep 87 06:16:25 GMT Received-2: from score.stanford.edu by BBN.COM id aa27355; 27 Sep 87 2:10 EDT Date: Sat 26 Sep 87 21:27:43 PDT Subject: Info-Atari8 Digest V87 #84 From: Info-Atari8 @ SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: Info-Atari8-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Maint-Path: Info-Atari8-request@Score.Stanford.EDU To: Info-Atari8 Distribution List: Reply-to: Info-Atari8@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Text: Info-Atari8 Digest Saturday, September 26, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 84 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Re: 6502 stuff Re: ANALOG 8-bit Extra reasons for upgrade! ARC file format? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Sep 87 15:00:26 GMT From: imagen!atari!dyer@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Landon Dyer) Subject: Re: 6502 stuff To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu > about increasing the speed...been thinking about that too. My data book > (ala Synertek, 1983) shows 6502 available to 4 Mhz, 6520 to 2Mhz. In The "world's record" for a 6502 is 24 Mhz (it was a one-of-a-kind chip). With today's technology (the 6502 is about ten years old) you could make 32 Mhz versions. Put that in your '386 and smoke it! -- -Landon Dyer, Atari Corporation {sun,amdcad,imagen,hoptoad}!atari!dyer The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of Atari or the AI software that has taken over my brain. YOW! I am waiting for my warranty-expired interrupt! ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 87 12:31:55 GMT From: ihnp4!ihlpe!kimes@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Kit Kimes) Subject: Re: ANALOG 8-bit Extra To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu In article <224@lakesys.UUCP>, tommyj@lakesys.UUCP (Tom Johnson) writes: | The MLEditor doesn't allow you to make mistakes so | the program must be bad. I haven't gotten the 8-bit Extra magazine yet although I did see one briefly at the Summer CES at their booth. If I get one, I'll buy it with the disk. Lately, I have seen a number of problems with programs in ANALOG. I typed in the Fortune Wheel game from last December. I ran into several problems, some I fixed and some I couldn't figure out how to fix. I gave a marked up copy to the girl at their booth in June and she promised to give it to the Editor. I haven't seen any type of corrections in the front where they usually put them. The disk version must have been correct though, because a reader wrote in saying what a wonderful program it was. Personally, I have seen a falling off of the quality in ANALOG. Kit Kimes AT&T--Information Systems Labs ...ihnp4!ihlpe!kimes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 87 18:01 EDT From: Subject: reasons for upgrade! To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu X-Original-To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu Did someone on the net ask for reasons on why an upgrade for the atari 6502 should be attempted. Reasons for an upgrade to a 65816: Upgrades in general tend to focus attention to computers, thus the mega STs were born. A more powerful processor in our venerable 8-bits would draw great attention from those who put their atari's on the shelf So they could use/(play games on) c-64'S). The apple came out with the apple IIgs which has the 65816 in it. This addition of the horsepower attracted new interest to venerable 8-bit line. Chances are it will do the same for ATARI. Since more atari xe/xl machines exist than IIgs mabye some of the companys that wrote software for the IIgs might try to recover there loses by writing software for a machine which a potentially larger user base. Porting Apple software to the atari shouldn't be to hard, tho the IIGs call would have to be emulated. If atari designed such an upgrade they would not have to much trouble get 65816 software developers? Some one has mentioned that Mac65(which is no longer in production) can support the extra 6502 commands this chips supports. The main reason i would want a 65816 in my machine would be to embarrass TRAMIAL. He has bumbled with a great machine. The handling of the 8-bit as compared for the ST has been unexcusable. Atari should realize by now that the whole 1.5 million active atari 8-bit users are not going to upgrade to the ST. When IBM is backing a new comparable machine in the same price range. Reasons for an upgrade in speed for the 6502, for the atari Xe/Xl machines: 1 Floating Point operations. Currently the 8-bit rom floating code is slow. >>A faster 6502 running around 3.58Mhz could crank out these calculations twice as fast. 2 I/O rates. >>Since the PBI(parallel bus interface) is driven directly by the cpu, MIO's and other harddrive interfaces could be accessed at standard PC speeds. 3 Integer calculations and Data jugling operations. >>This is the reason people buys the new 16/32 machines. Everyone wants their information delivered at a reasonable speed. Remember for Humans the less time something requires the more it seems to be used. 4 The windowing/icon user interface would be workable in the graphics 8 mode for machines with more than 64K. The botton line is Any upgrade to the moderately useful XE/XLs line would be appriciated. BUT ANY UPGRADES THAT WOULD NOT REACH A MAJORITY OF THE 8-BIT ATARI COMMUNITY WOULD NOT TEMPT THE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS TO WRITE FOR OUR MACHINES. MY 8-bit will still be used whether or not i buy a new computer. Most of the info-atari8 readers feel the same way. William M Buford (Novice Hardware Hacker) (An Action! Programmer!) Dflint02@ulkyvx.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 87 17:20 EDT From: John R. Dunning Subject: ARC file format? To: info-atari8@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Does anyone know the format of .ARC files, as hacked by the ARCX and ARC that were posted a while ago? I've gotten sick of their slowness and low memory requirements, and am contemplating whacking together some new ones. I've looked at dumps of the binaries, but it's not obvious how the files are constructed (not surprising, if they're Huffman encoded). Alternatively, does anyone know how to lay hands on the source for ARCX and ARC? Failing that, does anyone know how to contact the authors? Thanks for any info. ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari8 Digest ************************** ------- -------------------END OF UNDELIVERED MESSAGE-------------------