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Subject: Re: Tandy 1000 TX
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Date: Fri, 18-Sep-87 10:05:00 EDT
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Cast:
>>> Joe
>>  me
>   Joe again
    me again
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>>>You can bet if it's a Tandy it is the most incompatible machine imaginable!

>>W R O N G !
>>This is a generalization that does not hold true.  The Tandy 1000
>>(which is subject that Joe was responding to) is more like the PC-Jr
>>that IBM came up with.  So, if we were to generalize about the IBM

Here's the part of that sentence he left out:
   products we would have to say "You can bet if it's a IBM it
   is the most incompatible machine imaginable!"
   [I thought people reading/posting to this newsgroup were smart
   enough to know you can't make such generalizations.  I guess I was
   mistaken]

Now maybe I didn't make my point very well.  I was trying to say
that the 1000 was an attempt at making a cheaper and  somewhat compatible
machine just like IBM did with the PC Jr.  Tandy had the same trouble
that IBM had in that neither were truly (sometimes far from )compatible with
the PC/XT/AT.
  [ Joe, look read this: 
      Before Joe flames me on my last statement, I still can't verify
      whether the NEW 1000's are 100% compatible, and I probably never
       will be able to since I don't intend to by one ]
I did not mean to imply (and I don't think I did) that the Tandy 1000 was
a PC Jr. compatible. 

The part about the generalizations still holds -- the
1000s are a separate class of machine from the 1200, 3000, 4000.

>>Joe was responding to a question about a TANDY 1000__ and he is
>>probably right about that particular model.  The original Tandy 1000's
>>were not 100% IBM compat. and never claimed they were.  The newer
>>models of the 1000's claim they are 100% compat. (they also have
>>bigger cases to support larger boards).  I have never owned a 1000

Joe left out the rest of the above sentence [again]  (he must not have read
it).  The sentence indicated that I've NEVER owned a 1000 and since
I had no way of VERIFYING any info I heard about the compatibility
I did not plan to continue the discussion of the 1000.

If fact, I didn't/don't care whether the 1000 is compatible or not.
It's his generalization that I objected to.
 
>D E F I N A T E L Y  W R O N G ! ! !
>Some people obviously believe every bit of marketing hype they read!!!
>First of all the 1000, be it _, A, SX, EX, TX, or HX IS NOT EVEN CLOSE
>to Jr. compatibility!!!  The only thing similar to the Jr. is the
>... 
    he continues comparing the 1000 to the PC Jr. -- useful (?) info but
  has nothing to do with my first response to his original note.

I did not provide any compatibility info about the 1000 except to say
that Tandy CLAIMS it is 100% PC compatible and I also stated that
I could not verify this claim.  [Joe, did you not even read what I wrote]

>I too am an old time
>Tandy customer, having bought a model 1, 3, 2 Coco's, and finnaly a 1000A.
>I will NEVER buy another computer from them again!!!!  And will do
>everything possible to discourage others from making the same mistake
>that I did!!!
>    Joe Applegate - Colorado School of Mines Computing Center

[Hey Joe, are you implying that the model 1, 3, or the Coco's were
 ever even intended to be PC compatible or even that they were
 intended to run PC/MS-DOS.  I certainly hope not.]

Again, Joe has only owned the computers that Tandy has made for the 
folks who can't afford a real clone (just like the people who
bought the PC Jr because they couldn't afford the real thing).
If you want a real clone then buy a real clone.

No one has yet shown that the CLONES for the PC/XT/ATs made by 
Tandy aren't 100% compatible. (1200, 3000, 4000)

Joe:  "Hey, none of these grapes look/feel/taste like oranges so those
       oranges certainly don't look/feel/taste like oranges." 

jvc@mirror.tmc.com