Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!rutgers!sri-spam!ames!sdcsvax!ucbvax!dewey.soe.berkeley.edu!oster From: oster@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu (David Phillip Oster) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Color for the SE? (Is this a dumb question?) Message-ID: <20875@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Sun, 20-Sep-87 15:00:46 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.20875 Posted: Sun Sep 20 15:00:46 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 20-Sep-87 22:54:06 EDT References: <1470@ingr.UUCP> <11540017@hpsmtc1.HP.COM> <6275@prls.UUCP> <20842@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <2851@husc6.UUCP> Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: oster@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu.UUCP (David Phillip Oster) Organization: School of Education, UC-Berkeley Lines: 42 In article <2851@husc6.UUCP> fry@huma1.UUCP (David Fry) writes: >I don't think the Mac II is so expensive that this contorted >effort would be cheaper. You'd have to get a color monitor, >more RAM and associated electronics and the license for the >Quickdraw. Plus, Color Quickdraw would be painfully slow for >all but the simplest operations unless a 68020 was included. >Why not just get a Mac II then? Ahh, you miss my point. I never assumed that color quickdraw necessarily requires a 68020: The current version of color quickdraw uses 68020 instructions, true, but there is no 68020 instruction that can not be expressed as a sequence of 68000 instructions. And as for cheaper, consider: Imagine you are a hardware vendor of an intelligent graphics coprocessor box. You would like to enter the Macintosh market, but only if it can make you a profit. Your cost to enter the market is the cost to develop the drivers. Your profit depends on your sales. Now, with color quickdraw available on the SE (and as an INIT file on the MacPlus. (like the old "HD20" file that let 64k ROM macs do HFS.)) With color quickdraw available on many different macs, your potential market is much bigger than just MacII owners. This can make the difference between deciding to sell the device, and deciding not to. So, even Mac II owners have a reason to push apple to make Color QuickDraw available in RAM on the SE and the Plus: it will make it easier for 3rd party vendors to justify producing color systems compatible with their Mac. Such an intelligent color subsystem would not be slow: it would recieve messages over, (for compatibility) the SCSI port, and do them using its own processor, so that the Mac's CPU would be free to compute the next graphics call in parallel. But it only makes sense to sell such hardware, if software authors will check for its presence and use it if it exists. Too many of today's color programs don't realize that Pluses and SEs could be retro-fitted with color, and instead of checking for color, they just check whether they are running on a II. Software authors, clean up your act! --- David Phillip Oster --My Good News: "I'm a perfectionist." Arpa: oster@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu --My Bad News: "I don't charge by the hour." Uucp: {uwvax,decvax,ihnp4}!ucbvax!oster%dewey.soe.berkeley.edu