Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!psuvax1!vu-vlsi!swatsun!greenber From: greenber@swatsun (Peter Greenberg) Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.windows.misc Subject: Re: PostScript standard? Message-ID: <1304@thebes.swatsun.UUCP> Date: Tue, 6-Oct-87 10:15:37 EDT Article-I.D.: thebes.1304 Posted: Tue Oct 6 10:15:37 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 9-Oct-87 23:01:41 EDT References: <535@micas.UUCP> <15085@topaz.rutgers.edu> <170@viper.Lynx.MN.Org> Organization: Swarthmore College, Swarthmore PA Lines: 40 Summary: I don't think "Adobe" fonts are copyrighted, only their descriptions are. Xref: mnetor comp.graphics:1230 comp.windows.misc:72 In article <170@viper.Lynx.MN.Org>, dave@viper.Lynx.MN.Org (David Messer) writes: > In article <255@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> zwicky%tut.cis.ohio-state.edu@osu-eddie.UUCP (Elizabeth Zwicky) writes: > >So it would be possible to write one's own > >PostScript-like language interpreter. It could in fact, duplicate > >the functionality of Adobe's PostScript identically. > > Not quite, it couldn't duplicate the Font's that Adobe uses, > they are copyrighted. They could have the same form-factor > however. I just reread a long and detailed paper by one Charles Bigelow posted to the Usenet earlier this year. Bigelow is a professor of digital typography at Stanford. (Sorry folks, more advanced reference not available.) The gist of what he said (as I have heard from others) is that fonts cannot be protected by copyright law and generally are not patented as well. Font names can be trademarked, meaning that in general I can imitate a font made by you but cannot call us the same thing. Also, the *description* of fonts can be copyrighted, just like computer programs can be so protected. So the byte by byte representation of Adobe's font dictionaries (around which elaborate security precautions have been built into the PostScript language) are protected by copyright. What this all means to a PostScript cloner could take printed representations of the "Adobe" fonts (all of which, I think, were originally developed by others, like IBM (Courier) and ITC (several)) and reduce them to curves himself (not at all a trivial undertaking). The cloner could then incorporate these new font descriptions into his new language legally, so long as he gave them new names. BTW, PostScript(tm) accomodates bit-map fonts too, and the Hershey outline fonts by NBS are available for little or nothing, so you can make due without curving anything. All this is speculative and does not consider any ethical stuff which you should consider. Look before you leap. fonts into his language legally so long as he endowed them with new names. -- Peter Greenberg, ImClone Systems, 180 Varick St., 7th Fl. New York, NY 10014 UUCP: ...{{seismo | inhp4}!bpa | {sun | rutgers}!liberty}!swatsun!greenber ARPA: swatsun!greenber@bpa.BELL-ATL.COM CSNET: greenber@swatsun.swarthmore.edu I work for ImClone, graduated from Swarthmore, neither cares what I say.