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From: wohler@SPAM.ISTC.SRI.COM (Bill Wohler)
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Subject: X11 nuances
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Date: Thu, 8-Oct-87 14:38:13 EDT
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Posted: Thu Oct  8 14:38:13 1987
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  my current list of "huh?"s after beating on x for a while, is as
  follows.  some may be bugs, others may be my inexperience with X11.
  (real bugs have been posted in separate bug reports.)  i'm running
  on a Sun-3/50 (or 3/160C) under 3.4.

  1. geometry. i would expect that specifying a geometry of =+1+1
     would blast a default size xterm in the left-hand corner.  no, i
     still have to hit the left mouse button to get the window.  if
     this isn't a bug, why is this so?

  2. uwm. X10 uwm honors the autoselect variable (menus come up with
     the first item already selected).  this is documented in the X11
     uwm but does not work.  is there something i am missing to get
     autoselect to work, or is this a bug?

  3. xinit. i had gotten used to ed moy's new xinit that reads the
     file .Xinit.  i see that this xinit is not the one distributed
     with X11.  are there plans to incorporate ed's fixes?  if not,
     have you ported your xinit to X11 yet, ed? can i get a copy? ;-)

  4. kbd_mode. the command kbd_mode is unnecessary and can be removed
     from the distribution.  just use sun's own "setkeys reset".

  5. fonts. is there someone working on converting the sun fonts to
     X11's bdf format?  (ucb's X10 newfonts.)  i miss screen.b.14.

  6. fonts. with so many available, one would think that it would be
     easy to find some that are useful for text.  nope.  perhaps a
     survey of fonts used should be made.  thus unused fonts could be
     pruned, and missing fonts could be added.

  7. bell.  my bell worked under X10, but no longer.

  8. xterm. what's his name was right, i miss my titlebars also!

  9. xterm. the auto-repeat is much too slow.  are there any reasons
     why it should be so slow?  otherwise, i'll fix it and send in the
     diff.  (who or what would a fast auto-repeat screw up?)

  10. xterm.  i'm depressed since the left mouse button no longer cuts
      and pastes in one operation.  this was a VERY valuable feature
      when making (and screwing up) in-line shell scripts.  the script
      could be easily repeated by banging on the left mouse button a
      few times, fixing the bad line, and banging on it again. the new
      right mouse button has dubious functionality.

  11. xterm.  negatory on the status line.  it's documented, in the
      termcap, but doesn't work for me.

  12. keyboard mappings.  i had gotten used to C-- mapped as C-_.
      makes a quick undo in emacs.

  13. Xdefaults.  my .Xdefaults contains the line:
	xterm.BodyFont:		vtsingle
      there are blank lines and comments (beginning with #) in the
      file. this file worked fine for X10.  X11's xterm does not
      recognize this line.  what's the scoop?

  ho, if i got input on some these, i would be a happy camper!  i am
  not afraid (and i have some funding) to fix some of these problems
  (but don't want to fall prey to the duplication of effort syndrome).

						--bw