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From: rhonda@chinet.UUCP (Rhonda Scribner)
Newsgroups: news.misc,soc.net-people,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Libertarian Theory and Libertarian Practice: A Portrait From Life
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Date: Thu, 17-Sep-87 19:42:07 EDT
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Posted: Thu Sep 17 19:42:07 1987
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Organization: Chinet, Chicago Ill.
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Keywords: Libertarianism, Judaism, Censorship
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In article <341@ddsw1.UUCP>, era@ddsw1.UUCP (Mark Ethan Smith) writes:
>In article <1554@chinet.UUCP> rhonda@chinet.UUCP (Rhonda Scribner) writes:
>>Oh, fiddlesticks, Gene.  Do you think you're kidding anybody with this
>>"intelligent political discussion" fish story?  Were you attempting to have
>>a serious discussion about how Matthew's getting the boot was related to
>>Judaism by posting to soc.culture.jewish?  You were writing rhetorical articles
>>in an effort to sway opinion in your and Matthew's favor, period.  Any
>>intelligent political discussion that resulted was incidental.
>
>It is totally irrelevant that the people who censored me and harassed
>me and eventually succeeded in getting my password pulled on the Well
>and on Chinet were mostly Libertarians and that I happen to be Jewish.

Perhaps it is.  I am on Chinet and I am Jewish, and no one has made any
effort to pull my account (although I have gotten a few requests to clean
out my mail file :-) ) despite my own involvement in a loud boisterous debate
or two.  In addition to being Jewish, you have been arrogant and hostile to
a large number of people.  I would say that might be another reason your
account was pulled.  Perhaps it might even be the real reason.  When I was
younger someone said to me that the worst anti-semites are often Jews or
ex-Jews.  Through your ravings that you are a victim of "prejudice" against
women and Jews, you actually hurt those of us fighting real discrimination.

The other thing is that Gene Ward Smith posted his article to
soc.culture.jewish with no relevance to Jewish issues whatsoever.  It was
never even claimed that Matthew was getting the boot because he was Jewish. 
He was simply rallying readers against Tim Maroney on the basis that Matthew,
a Jew, was kicked off of the net by Tim Maroney, a man who made anti-Israel
statements.  To my mind that is pandering of the lowest kind.

>It is only a coincidence that the only people who get their passwords
>pulled by usenet sites happen to be Jewish, and that the people who do it
>happen to be Libertarians who, except in the case of Jews, pretend to
>advocate "absolute free speech."

The only people?  Tim Maroney once got himself pulled, and we know he
isn't Jewish.  I am in awe of your ability to formulate wild generalizations
at the drop of a hat the way you do, for example, in your Myopia articles
and other articles in soc.women.  Like I just said, your whining that you
are a victim of anti-semitic anti-female discrimination when you are
really the "victim" of the more justifiable anti-obnoxious discrimination
seriously damages any efforts to fight real prejudice and discrimination.

>I certainly wouldn't be paranoid enough to see any discrimination in this.

Obviously that's not true.

By the way, as long as you brought up the topic of Matthew Wiener, let me
ask you something out of curiosity.  The first of your Myopia series of
articles in soc.women was posted from an account at violet.berkeley.edu,
a machine known to be the last net outpost of Matthew Wiener.  Gene Ward
Smith mentioned in passing that Matthew went back east after his accounts
were deleted (obviously an act of anti-semitism by libertarians).  Sure
enough, later articles in that series (postdating Matthew's departure)
were posted from a UNIX site in New York City. (Big Electric Cat, dasys1)

You wouldn't by any chance happen to BE Matthew Wiener, would you?
								--Rhonda