Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!husc6!think!ames!aurora!labrea!decwrl!ucbvax!ucbcad!eros!max From: max@eros.UUCP Newsgroups: rec.audio,sci.electronics Subject: In defense of solid-state devices Message-ID: <1895@ucbcad.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 26-Sep-87 22:46:59 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbcad.1895 Posted: Sat Sep 26 22:46:59 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 27-Sep-87 20:44:24 EDT References: <729@alliant.Alliant.COM> <4124@pyr.gatech.EDU> Sender: news@ucbcad.berkeley.edu Reply-To: max@eros.UUCP (Max Hauser) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 109 Xref: utgpu rec.audio:2920 sci.electronics:1282 In article <4124@pyr.gatech.EDU> kludge@pyr.UUCP (Scott Dorsey) writes: > > ... You hit something. It's trivial to design good sounding audio > equipment with tubes. It's damn near impossible to design good > transistor gear ... Arghh! This is exactly the argument I heard from my friend John, 18 years ago when we were in high school and building lots of amplifiers, he usually with tubes and I usually with transistors. His argument was, essentially, "when I just throw something together using tubes, it more-or-less-works; but if I do the same with transistors, it doesn't." (Here I am speaking of basic amplifiers like preamps and transformer-coupled power amps). Not even that statement is true, however, given -- and do NOT overlook this qualification if you respond to me -- equal background in the two technologies. John, in fact, had been introduced to electronics through vacuum tubes and had developed a solid inventory of prejudices and rules-of-thumb that didn't apply to transistors. He therefore concluded that transistors were more difficult to use. But if you understand the different devices in their own right, then it is actually much EASIER to get bipolar transistors, in particular, to bias up and exhibit predictable gain, because their critical parameters (transconductance and DC voltage bias) are largely device-independent, unlike tubes, whose circuits must sacrifice performance in order to tolerate the "personality" of each part number and each device within that part number. But a much stronger statement in favor of transistors is possible. If you actually tighten up the definition of "design" to mean not "produce something that more or less works" but rather "understand precisely what is going on," then there is no comparison between transistors and tubes as basic amplifier elements, at least among design engineers. Now I realize that these comments may largely be wasted, or misinterpreted, in rec.audio, but nevertheless let me try to state carefully the reason. Bipolar transistors in particular exhibit nonlinear large-signal terminal characteristics (Ic vs. Vbe) that are probably the most predictable and consistent nonlinearity known to electronics (as Gibbons and Horn first pointed out eloquently in 1963). Every competent designer is aware that, as a result, a bipolar stage with 1 mA collector current at 27 degrees C will have a gm of 38.5 mmho and a base-emitter (DC input) voltage of very nearly 0.6 or 0.7 volt. Vacuum tubes also exhibit a large-signal nonlinearity of the same critical kind, but its very *shape*, let alone numbers, depends on device construction, unit-unit variation, and age. It is not even possible to predict stage gain and DC bias in the same way as with bipolar devices, and therefore, unless you lard the circuit through with trimmers and align it periodically, you actually are *stuck* at the level of "producing something that more or less works" -- brute force, not true design. This is why, if you move beyond the level of circuits-that-more-or-less-work, there is much less argument in favor of tubes, even in simple amplifiers. There are also, of course, whole genres of audio circuits that can be constructed with bipolars that have no antecedent in tubes, owing to the precise predictable I-V characteristic of the transistors. I am speaking of things like "translinear" circuits (which can give a fundamentally linear -- not just approximately, or corrected-with-feedback) large-signal input-output relationship; or the precise variable-gain amplifiers (a subject dear to my heart) on which depend such products as Dave Blackmer's (the db in dbx) companding and noise-reduction systems. I'm responsible for a few other such circuits myself. The converse is not true, since most anything you can accomplish with triodes or pentodes can also be done with JFETs or MOSFETs. These devices share some of the gain and DC-bias predictability problems of tubes, but much less so, because the I-V characteristics are mathematically simpler, can be better controlled, and do not change with age. True, it is harder to get output swings above about 50 volts p-p, with common small-signal transistors than with tubes, but then you rarely need to. Since you can get transistors with audio-band voltage noises less than 100 nV RMS (which is to say, 140 dB down from a one-volt line level), you can still achieve a lot of dynamic range with a "mere" 50-volt output capability. Kludge continues: > ... With modern tubes and design methods microphonics and > self-oscillation aren't anywhere near the problems that > they used to be. I question this: the 12AX7's, 12AU7's, 12AT7's, 6L6's etc. that are so dear to tubophiles now are not only the same devices used in the 1950s and 60s, but in many cases actually were themselves built in the 1950s and 60s. Microphonics in particular are a function of the tube design. Perhaps Kludge designs his own tubes; if so, he's the first such designer I've met (on the other hand, I design my own transistors: it's cheap and pretty easy). I would not for a moment question someone's preference for the sound of a tube preamp or power amp (even if it is more expensive, less reliable, and has an uncertain future as existing VT stocks get burnt out, or used by enthusiastic suburban kids as BB-gun targets). Also, I am not talking about the relative ease of designing good transformer-coupled tube amps and direct-coupled solid-state amps (except to note that direct-coupled TUBE amps are also tricky). However, the broad statement that "transistor amplifiers are harder to design than tube amplifiers," unless qualified in the sense of "harder *for me*," is naive and not supported by hard facts. Incidentally, my friend John, who argued that tube circuits were "easier to design" 18 years ago, recanted that position after broader experience (he now designs analog ICs for a living). Max Hauser / max@eros.berkeley.edu / ...{!decvax}!ucbvax!eros!max