Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!bloom-beacon!oberon!cit-vax!ucla-cs!zen!ucbvax!ucbcad!ames!aurora!labrea!decwrl!hplabs!hp-pcd!uoregon!omepd!mipos3!cpocd2!howard From: howard@cpocd2.UUCP (Howard A. Landman) Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.research,sci.misc,misc.misc Subject: Re: Einstein's relativity and daily life Message-ID: <896@cpocd2.UUCP> Date: Fri, 9-Oct-87 15:17:25 EDT Article-I.D.: cpocd2.896 Posted: Fri Oct 9 15:17:25 1987 Date-Received: Mon, 12-Oct-87 05:24:02 EDT References: <391@nikhefh.UUCP> <695@cfa.cfa.harvard.EDU> <756@elbereth.rutgers.edu> Reply-To: howard@cpocd2.UUCP (Howard A. Landman) Organization: Intel Corp. ASIC Systems Organization, Chandler AZ Lines: 31 Keywords: science for the people Xref: mnetor sci.physics:2467 sci.philosophy.tech:519 sci.research:254 sci.misc:537 misc.misc:1933 In article <756@elbereth.rutgers.edu> cje@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes: >Beg pardon? Is our understanding of photosynthesis really so recent that it >depended on radioactive tracers? I'm not disputing this; it's just that the >claim comes as quite a surprise to me. Yes. Melvin Calvin got the Nobel Prize for this. The technique was essentially, you have some algae photosynthesizing in a flask, through which is bubbling CO2. You introduce some radioactive CO2 into the stream, wait 5 seconds, and dump the algae into a vat of alcohol and dry ice, which kills them and stops the reaction. Then you spend a few weeks determining what all the radioactive carbon compounds you found were. When you're done with that, repeat the experiment, but this time wait 10 seconds. Then 15 seconds. Then ... Variations with radioactive oxygen, strobe lamps instead of continuous illumination, algae in the dark or exposed to different wavelengths of light, etc., give you some of the boundary conditions. Don't forget to use several diferent kinds of algae to confirm your results. A few hundred or thousand experiments like that, and you know exactly what's going on, and even how fast. If you want an even better example of how radioisotopes are used in biology, take a look at radioimmunoassay. Especially the sensitivity figures. -- Howard A. Landman ...!{oliveb,...}!intelca!mipos3!cpocd2!howard <- works howard%cpocd2%sc.intel.com@RELAY.CS.NET <- recently flaky "Unpick a ninny - recall Mecham"