Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!rutgers!iuvax!pur-ee!j.cc.purdue.edu!k.cc.purdue.edu!l.cc.purdue.edu!cik From: cik@l.cc.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech Subject: Re: Layman's argument for Occam's razor Message-ID: <588@l.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Sun, 4-Oct-87 10:08:23 EDT Article-I.D.: l.588 Posted: Sun Oct 4 10:08:23 1987 Date-Received: Wed, 7-Oct-87 05:54:03 EDT References: <433@morgoth.UUCP> <20264@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <294@sequent.cs.qmc.ac.uk> Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department Lines: 35 Summary: I will argue both sides In article <294@sequent.cs.qmc.ac.uk>, flash@inference.ee.qmc.ac.uk (Flash Sheridan) writes: > In article <20264@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> kube@cogsci.berkeley.edu.UUCP (Paul Kube) writes: > >In article <433@morgoth.UUCP> dmb@morgoth.UUCP (David M. Brown) writes: > > do you really mean to suggest that you can tell if > >a serious empirical theory is true just by thinking about it? > > > According to Einstein, yes. He claimed he developed Special > Relativity for its harmony with Maxwell's equations, _before_ > Michelson-Morley. Certainly William of Ockham, and until recently most philosophers, believed that it is easy to find "true" theories, and that it is not difficult to test these theories. Now it may be that the speed of light in vacuum is constant, but there is no way to directly test it. In fact, according to most of what I read in modern physics, there is no vacuum! Thus the real problem is "when should we accept a theory which we cannot completely test, or which we may even know to be false." Since there is no vacuum, the Special Relativity transformations, if we could obtain sufficiently accurate data, would not agree with Einstein's predictions exactly. There is no question that the Lorentz-Fitzgerald transformations were obtained as the set of transformations which preserve Maxwell's equations before Michelson-Morley, and that Special Relativity follows from these equations if the speed of light is assumed constant. However, while the development does not involve any empirical observations, Maxwell used, possibly indirectly, empirical results. On the other hand, I completely disagree that one infers natural laws from empirical observations! One only chooses which mental construct to use among those which the mind can conceive on the basis of observations. -- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907 Phone: (317)494-6054 hrubin@l.cc.purdue.edu (ARPA or UUCP) or hrubin@purccvm.bitnet