Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!uwvax!oddjob!mimsy!umd5!brl-adm!brl-smoke!gwyn From: gwyn@brl-smoke.ARPA (Doug Gwyn ) Newsgroups: sci.research Subject: Re: Dugway Biowarfare Facility Message-ID: <6559@brl-smoke.ARPA> Date: Mon, 12-Oct-87 02:26:25 EDT Article-I.D.: brl-smok.6559 Posted: Mon Oct 12 02:26:25 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 13-Oct-87 02:47:33 EDT References: <2476@sigi.Colorado.EDU> <6535@brl-smoke.ARPA> <2518@sigi.Colorado.EDU> <6557@brl-smoke.ARPA> <2532@sigi.Colorado.EDU> Reply-To: gwyn@brl.arpa (Doug Gwyn (VLD/VMB) ) Distribution: na Organization: Ballistic Research Lab (BRL), APG, MD. Lines: 33 In article <2532@sigi.Colorado.EDU> pell@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Anthony Pelletier) writes: >Doug Gwyn writes: >>... >Information he gave regarding immunology and the possibility of developing >defensive vaccines was false, and I originally wanted to correct it. Anyone who wishes to can check that I gave NO information regarding immunology in either of my two previous postings. My response addressed the general issue of military research, which I felt was behind pell's objection to the Dugway project (as strikingly verified by the remarks in his previous message). >>They have spread ideas across the nation that are even more >>harmful, however; does that count? >Logical argument is wasted on people who think ideas are dangerous. I of course did not say that ALL ideas are dangerous, which is what one would gather from pell's response. I do believe that SOME ideas are dangerous, such as the idea that misrepresenting an opponent's position is a valid mode of argumentation. One has to wonder at this point whether pell's representation of the intended purpose of the Dugway facility is equally accurate. He has painted a picture of complete bunglers trying to develop actual vaccines for unknown diseases. I rather suspect that the people involved are not nearly so stupid as they are being made out to be by pell, or by whatever sources he got his information from. If they're the same as those that came up with the examples he mentioned in his previous posting, then they aren't very reliable sources of information. Does anyone know the true story of the Dugway project? I didn't really care about this particular project, but now I'm curious.