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From: farren@gethen.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Ogling considered nonintrusive
Message-ID: <243@gethen.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 21-Oct-87 19:34:52 EST
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Posted: Wed Oct 21 19:34:52 1987
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Reply-To: farren@gethen.UUCP (Michael J. Farren)
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In article <3238@hoptoad.uucp> gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) writes:
>I fully support Oded Feingold in saying that "ogling" someone does
>not entitle them to mess with you.  Mike Farren claimed Oded was vying
>for asshole of the net; I guess we tie then.  I too remember the jerks
>in high school who would punish smaller kids "for looking at them funny".
>Come on!  If you can't take being looked at, funny or not, it's time to
>crawl back into the womb and pull it closed.  Whether or not you're a big
>strong bully or just a weak exploited sister.
>-- 
>{dasys1,ncoast,well,sun,ihnp4}!hoptoad!gnu			  gnu@toad.com

No, the "ogling" part of that comment wasn't what prompted my response,
it was the "mean drunk" and "(non)fucking chador" parts.  I like to hear
people's opinions, and I like to respond to them strongly, as my own
opinions get called into play.  I do have opinions on the ogling issue,
but didn't express them, as I didn't see Ellen Eades original posting.

What I don't like, and am increasingly impatient with, is the embellishment
of what might be a perfectly reasonable opinion with comments, not on the
opinion expressed, but the person expressing it.  Specifically, insulting
comments such as the above.  No purpose is served by these except to 
promote flame wars and ill-feeling, and to raise powerful barriers to any
real communication.

Come to think of it, this is alt.flame, after all.  I believe I owe Oded
an apology, but then again, this IS alt.flame, maybe I don't.  (How about
an alt.flame.philosophy :-)


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Michael J. Farren      "... if the church put in half the time on covetousness
unisoft!gethen!farren   that it does on lust, this would be a better world ..."
gethen!farren@lll-winken.arpa             Garrison Keillor, "Lake Wobegon Days"