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From: alan@pdn.UUCP (Alan Lovejoy)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: The Success of AI
Message-ID: <1641@pdn.UUCP>
Date: Sat, 24-Oct-87 16:52:32 EST
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Posted: Sat Oct 24 16:52:32 1987
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References: <193@PT.CS.CMU.EDU> <224@bernina.UUCP>
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In article <224@bernina.UUCP> srp@bernina.UUCP (Scott Presnell) writes:
/In article <193@PT.CS.CMU.EDU> spe@spice.cs.cmu.edu (Sean Engelson) writes:
/>Given a sufficiently powerful computer, I could, in theory, simulate
/>the human body and brain to any desired degree of accuracy.  
/
/Horse shit.  The problem is you don't even know exactly what you are
/simulating! ...  
/For instance, dreams, are they logical?, do they fall in a pattern?, a computer
/has got to have them to be a real simulation of a body/mind, but you cannot
/simulate what you cannot accurately describe.

Simulated horse shit!  I can write a simulator for the IBM-PC to run on
a Macintosh-II, without knowing or understanding all the IBM-PC programs
that will ever run on it.  The same is in principle possible when the
machine being emulated is a human body.

/Let's get down to a specific case:
/I propose that given any amount of computing power, you could not presently,
/and probably will never be able to simulate me: Scott R. Presnell.
/My wife can be the judge.  

Which wife? The one being simulated by the computer as part of the
simulated environment in which you are being simulated?  How would you
or she know which "world" you belonged to?

--alan@pdn