Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!nrcaer!cognos!roberts From: roberts@cognos.uucp (Robert Stanley) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Why can't my cat talk? Message-ID: <1697@cognos.UUCP> Date: Sat, 31-Oct-87 16:03:14 EST Article-I.D.: cognos.1697 Posted: Sat Oct 31 16:03:14 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 1-Nov-87 20:35:18 EST References: <11967@decwrl.DEC.COM> Reply-To: roberts@cognos.UUCP (Robert Stanley) Organization: Cognos Inc., Ottawa, Canada Lines: 47 Summary: when language appears impossible in humans In article <11967@decwrl.DEC.COM> glantz@yippee.dec.com (26-Oct-1987 2000) writes: > [Aside: It is known that the human brain (and that of other mammals, as > well) undergoes physiological changes during the period of infancy and > early childhood. It is possible that the initial acquisition of > linguistic skills can only occur effectively during this period, during > which time these physiological changes are significantly ``molded'' by > the socialization process, where certain ``symbolic'' structures > actually become ``wired in''. If this were the case, then the period > during which basic linguistic ability can be acquired would be limited > to this ``crystallization'' period, which is possibly much longer in > humans than in other mammals. This little aside opens up an alternative line of study. There have been a number of well documented and researched cases of feralism in humans. In each case the human child had effectively been deprived of the necessary language- building stimuli during the period the author of the previos article refers to as the crystallization period. This has been discussed several times on the net in the last year, but from a different viewpoint. If it can be shown that feral children re-introduced into society *cannot* acquire natural language skills after they are a certain age, this would tend to reinfore the crystallization period theory. From memory, the last net discussion centered around whether feral children ever developed independent language skills or other viable communication systems, and it seems to me that the literature said they didn't. Assuming that rehabilitated feral children fail to acquire language abilities, some sort of practical threshold for the end of the crystallization phase could be determined. However, given the wide variance in individual physiology, coupled with the possibly unusual organic stresses of feral upbringing, this is unlikely to yield a very precise figure. Should this crystallization hypothesis prove true, what does this tell us about gorillas? And is AMSLAN, in which I understand at least one gorilla has achieved not only a considerable vocabulary but a remarkable proficiency at combining "symbols" to denote new concepts, a natural language? That is to say, does mastery of a sign language require the same brain functions as those required to speak a natural language? Robert_S -- Robert Stanley Cognos Incorporated S-mail: P.O. Box 9707 Voice: (613) 738-1440 (Research: there are 2!) 3755 Riverside Drive FAX: (613) 738-0002 Compuserve: 76174,3024 Ottawa, Ontario uucp: decvax!utzoo!dciem!nrcaer!cognos!roberts CANADA K1G 3Z4