Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!mit-eddie!ll-xn!ames!sdcsvax!ncr-sd!greg From: greg@ncr-sd.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Greg Noel) Newsgroups: comp.arch,comp.unix.wizards,comp.os.misc Subject: Re: GNU Security (was Re: FSF et all) Message-ID: <1828@ncr-sd.SanDiego.NCR.COM> Date: Wed, 14-Oct-87 17:05:39 EDT Article-I.D.: ncr-sd.1828 Posted: Wed Oct 14 17:05:39 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 16-Oct-87 06:11:38 EDT References: <1494@geac.UUCP> <287@usl> Reply-To: greg@ncr-sd.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Greg Noel) Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo Lines: 24 Xref: mnetor comp.arch:2646 comp.unix.wizards:4911 comp.os.misc:297 In article <287@usl> elg@usl (Eric Lee Green) writes: ... [discussion of lack of security features in GNU] ... >Call him a Utopian if you will, for believing in the Better Nature of >Man. But hey, since he's doing it for free, and providing complete >source, you can do whatever the heck you want to once you get the >stuff, including, of course, adding your own security features to it. Unfortunately, the reason that security features get such a bad rap is that they usually \are/ add-ons. If you have to do this, the security aspects will neither be transparent nor cheap. If security is designed in from the beginning, you can do things to minimize or eliminate the performance impact while making it as unobtrusive as possible. Besides, it's easier to lower security barriers on a case-by-case basis as the need arises than to run around frantically trying to plug holes caused by an initial bad design. (I've done both; believe me, it's true.) I had hopes that the GNU project would be of great value by providing an alternative to the commercial products. It bothered me that the initial products were so prolifigate with memory (thereby moving themselves out of the market that has been the most supportive of them), but this issue kills it for me. Security is not an add-on. -- -- Greg Noel, NCR Rancho Bernardo Greg.Noel@SanDiego.NCR.COM