Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!mit-eddie!ll-xn!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!BU-CS.BU.EDU!bzs From: bzs@BU-CS.BU.EDU (Barry Shein) Newsgroups: comp.society.futures Subject: Where are the small thinkers now that we can't use them? Message-ID: <8710242135.AA18129@bu-cs.BU.EDU> Date: Sat, 24-Oct-87 17:35:31 EST Article-I.D.: bu-cs.8710242135.AA18129 Posted: Sat Oct 24 17:35:31 1987 Date-Received: Mon, 26-Oct-87 04:44:54 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 68 Re: Greg Earle's discussion provocater about the information/software explosion threatening to sink us all. I realize my Subject: was provocative and don't really mean to say that the "small is beautiful" crowd is obsolete, just that no one seems to be listening to them anymore. As Greg points out things like window and document systems (X, NeWS, TeX, InterLeaf et al) are behemoths of complexity and it doesn't look like anyone is offering any choice in the matter. By `choice', of course, I mean alternatives not just flames like "they're big, they stink!" which isn't really much of an answer except perhaps from god (pandora's box and all that, can't just tell the users to go back to dumb terminals and Model 34 teletypes, at least not without dabbling in demagoguery.) My first (and sustained) reaction to TeX, for example, was Blecch (as in "rhymes with".) Most fanatics of course view only the use of the system itself. My systems staff and I got to put it up and view with wonderment a 10,000 line single WEB (what's that?) module become a 15,000 line (something like that) single Pascal module. Then get undump to work on every system that people were screaming for it on, then suffer the various utilities (the font managers, the fonts, metafont, pxl fonts, pk, gf, dvi, bibtex, latex, slitex, lplain, detex, dvi2ps, amstex, magsteps, computer modern, etc, etc, etc.) I decided I knew a house of cards when I saw one and this would not be where *my* papers were going, even if it prevented me from having the most wonderful sigmas ever seen. It just wasn't that important. The current apparent weaknesses of Tex in previewing (yes, I've seen the systems, they all look very silly to me) and postscript standards (sure, some people are getting along, but I don't get the impression that postscript and TeX mesh very well, not at all sure why, font philosophy I assume is one reason) seem to be showing some current problems in TeX's ability to move into the present. I'm not surprised, it is typical of such behemoths of complexity, they are predictably lead-footed. In an attempt to appeal as some sort of standard they define everything in terms of the current state-of-the-art and cannot deliver on this rarified clarity as the world around them changes. Although I am picking on TeX (justified, in my opinion) I don't think it stands alone. As I said, it's just typical of such arrogance. To prognosticate I believe two things will happen: 1. People will appear who have better vision as to the underlying principles (it just *seems* like placing characters on a page shouldn't take several multi-hundred page volumes to explain, for example.) From this entire new approaches will obsolete the old. We are just in a rococo stage of affairs with these technologies which is normal in scientific progressions (first simple attempts, then 'great works' attempting to cover all ground by detailed case, then underlying principles are discovered and the field is reduced to a few fundamental tenets.) 2. We will see more use of "information appliances" as the Mac claimed to be. Turnkey packages will take care of these relatively mundane matters (eg. getting the kerning right.) People will tend to use tools which match their jobs and be satisfied with the lack of micro-creativity in return for some stability and simplicity. With any luck people will get back to the original goal (saying something useful rather than spending all one's effort making it look pretty, needless to say I've had it with font weenies.) Well, that should be enough for one sitting. -Barry Shein, Boston University