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From: wcs@ho95e.ATT.COM (Bill.Stewart)
Newsgroups: comp.sources.d
Subject: Re: Ksh availability?
Message-ID: <1800@ho95e.ATT.COM>
Date: Fri, 23-Oct-87 19:02:18 EST
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Posted: Fri Oct 23 19:02:18 1987
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Reply-To: wcs@ho95e.UUCP (46133-Bill.Stewart,2G218,x0705,)
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs 46133, Holmdel, NJ
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> >> you have :-). Not everybody has a Vax or a 3b2.
> >> Of course, third-parties do provide binaries & support, for SOME machines..
> >   So buy a 3B2!!!  You need one anyway!!
> 
> Hate to burst your bubble, but if I had the $10,000 for a 3b2, there is a
> whole host of other machines in that price range which provide more bang for
> the buck, with a better version of Unix, too (Pet Peeve #123123). Ain't no way
> that the poor old WE CPU in the 3b2 is gonna keep up with no 16mhz 
> 68020... 
>      Eric Green

Ahem.  <Warning: flames follow:>

It's true the original WE-32000 10MHz 3B2/300 won't keep up with a 16
MHz 68020.  It was similar in speed to the 68000s that were around at the
time.  Be fair.  The 32100 used in the 3B2/400 runs at 10 MHz producing
about 1 MIPS.  The 32100 running 18 MHz in the 3B2/600 does about 2.6 MIPS
(machine design having improved significantly.)  The 32200 running 24-28 MHz
will blow your doors off once we produce enough to ship you some.

AT&T also makes a VME SBC based on the 32100 at 14-18 MHz.  You'll have to
but it in a card cage and give it some peripherals, but it's got 1 MB of
0-wait-state RAM in addition to any VME memory you have.  It's cheap, and
similar in performance to the 3B2/600 if you get the 18 MHz and good
peripherals.  Microproject has already announced a 32200 VME board using our
chips; I don't know what MHz they're using (memory starts to get expensive,
but the 32201 MMU/Cache does a *lot* for you, and the DMAC's pretty snazzy.)

So don't sell the 32XXX series short.  It's CISC rather than RISC, but it's
got a complete chip family, a floating point chip faster than Weitek,
and good Operating System support (SVR3.1 is noticably nicer than SVR0;
comparisons to 4.3BSD will be graciously ignored, after you buy TCP/IP from
The Wollon Gang or whoever.)
-- 
#				Thanks;
# Bill Stewart, AT&T Bell Labs 2G218, Holmdel NJ 1-201-949-0705 ihnp4!ho95c!wcs