Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!psuvax1!gondor.psu.edu!schwartz From: schwartz@gondor.psu.edu (Scott E. Schwartz) Newsgroups: comp.sources.d Subject: Re: Ksh availability? Message-ID: <3019@psuvax1.psu.edu> Date: Sat, 24-Oct-87 21:24:07 EST Article-I.D.: psuvax1.3019 Posted: Sat Oct 24 21:24:07 1987 Date-Received: Mon, 26-Oct-87 05:37:36 EST References: <238@ssds.UUCP> <147000007@tiger.UUCP> Sender: netnews@psuvax1.psu.edu Reply-To: schwartz@gondor.psu.edu (Scott E. Schwartz) Organization: Penn State University, University Park, PA Lines: 66 In article <147000007@tiger.UUCP> rjd@tiger.UUCP writes: > >> Oh good grief.* A 3-MIPS Sun-3/60 with 16" color monitor retails for $9900 >> sans disk. If like a lot of places you get 20% or 30% educational discount, >> this knocks it down to $7K or $8K; add a 3rd party SCSI disk & tape and you >> might have nudged past the $10K mark in cost, but you've blasted past the 3B2 >> in capability (and general wonderfulness). And color besides. "You're >> cracked."? Don't make me laugh; `System V - consider it sub-standard' ... > > Color Monitor? So what? If you really need it, a color DMD can be had that >is just great for the 600. (I guess the Sun is one of those PC-type of boxes >with a monitor wired in.) The 600 isn't for graphics, though it can easily >accomodate you, it is for serious business applications. Look, I think the intent of the original poster was to emphasise the amazing GRAPHICS capability of Suns and their ilk. Yeah the monitor is wired in, wired right into main memory. I guess your 3b2 is one of those antiques that has to send all output over slow (say 32k baud) lines to the terminal. Well, some people don't mind bottlenecks. How much did you say the color DMD was? I've seen the green and white ones and they don't compare to black and white Sun consoles anyway, at least if you care about things like resolution and readability. For that matter how much do g&w DMS's cost? Since when does having graphics ability preclude "serious" business applications? > NO DISK IN THE SUN??? >Don't make me laugh. The model 600 has two 147 MB disks and 4 Meg Memory in >its most basic configuration, along with capability to handle 26 users >expandable with extra serial I/O rs232 cards to 90 users and memory expandable >to 16 Meg. Disk space expandable to around 6 Gigabytes. Yeah the lack of local disks in Sun's most common configuration is a drag. On the other hand, as the original poster mentioned, Suns come with a popular interface, so you can easily attach one or more disks of your own choosing. Also, you can transparently use non-local disks elsewhere on your LAN (if you've got one). How much do those extra boards and disks you mention cost? Sounds like your price is rising. Sun's also have a minimum of 4M memory. 16 Meg max? You must be joking. Sun 3/60's go up to 24M (I think). > 3-Mips? I'll say it >again: Piddly!! The model 600 with coprocessor is around 4 to 4.5 Mips!! Coprocessor? --> $? >And lastly; No, system V is THE standard. Anything else except maybe >Berzerkly is second-rate. This is not a well informed statement: Sun UNIX includes the functionality of BOTH SysV and BSD with lots of extentions. Also, on Monday (you know, the day the market crashed) AT&T and Sun announced their plans for a unified edition of unix. Apparantly SUN unix is going to be THE standard soon. >Randy -- Scott Schwartz schwartz@gondor.psu.edu