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From: craig@unicus.UUCP
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Subject: Re: AREXX and ICP (and Common Lisp!)
Message-ID: <1141@unicus.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 20-Oct-87 02:54:47 EDT
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Posted: Tue Oct 20 02:54:47 1987
Date-Received: Sat, 24-Oct-87 11:50:38 EDT
Reply-To: craig@unicus.UUCP (Craig D. Hubley)
Organization: Unicus Software Inc., Toronto, Ont.
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In <2409@bcsaic.UUCP>, randy@bcsaic.UUCP (Randy Groves) writes:
>In article <2472@cbmvax.UUCP> daveh@cbmvax.UUCP (Dave Haynie) writes:
>>in article <11774@decwrl.DEC.COM>, tenny@z.dec.com (Dave Tenny | DTN 225-6089) says:
>>> (Please won't somebody write Common Lisp for the Amiga...)
>>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>I'll second that one!
>>
>
>Thirds!  Thirds!  And while you're about it put in CLOS, the Common Lisp
>Object System (ya, I know, I'll have to get a LOT more memory!!!).

Fourths.  I didn't know that the Common Lisp Object System had actually
been specified, I thought Symbolics, Xerox, etc., were still bickering.
I thought Common Loops had the edge in this battle, but what happened ?

As to the memory, an A2000 with 16 megs RAM and some 10 meg SCSI floppies
to back up the partition (oh, and leave 6 meg for ramdisks and incidentals)
ought to be able to do it.  Most Lispmachines don't have an MMU, either.
But it ought to have a 68000 with 68881 at least at 16 MHz.  
With a good monitor, you might be talking about $5000 for the whole thing
in about a year when: (monitor=$500, CPU+RAM=$1500, A2000=$1000, LISP=$2000)
with real-live support, etcetera.  That's a hell of a lot cheaper than a
Xerox D-Machine or a Symbolics box.  And probably not much slower.

>Anybody listening?

Hopefully.  To be the first microcomputer true workstation would be more
than worthwhile.  CAD/CAM, AI, and other fields are screaming for this.
It's pretty difficult to do proper research when you can't afford the
workstations.

>Also how about an object system for C.  Does anybody know whether C++ or
>Objective C are available for the Amiga??

I don't, but the C++ compilers supposedly compile to C code, at which point,
any standard C compiler *should* be able to use it.  Possibly with some
global search/replaces for funny file names.  I think you'd only have to
construct some dummy libraries that looked like Exec, etc. on the C++ box.
If I'm all wet about this, someone please correct me and accept my apology.
Of course, if you want to work with C++ *ON* your Amiga, it'll be a while.
Though I expect to see it before a decent Common Lisp.

	Craig Hubley, Unicus Corporation, Toronto, Ont.
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