Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!hao!gatech!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!otl!geoffk From: geoffk@otl.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Geoffrey Kim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Amigans Unite - need help against pompous PC-oid! Message-ID: <131@otl.SanDiego.NCR.COM> Date: Fri, 23-Oct-87 16:00:23 EST Article-I.D.: otl.131 Posted: Fri Oct 23 16:00:23 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 25-Oct-87 17:47:15 EST Organization: NCR Corporation, E&M San Diego Lines: 66 Keywords: Sic' em, boy! Fellow Amigans, I picked this piece of enfuriating drivel up from rec.music.synth and would appreciate help in setting this obviously misguided individual straight. Thank you for your support. Geoffk @hp-sdd!ncr-sd!otl #Newsgroups: rec.music.synth #Subject: IBM PC Midi Interface #Message-ID: <7973@mirror.TMC.COM> #Date: 23 Oct 87 04:56:16 GMT #Sender: UUCP@mirror.TMC.COM #Lines: 113 #In response to Duke Robillard .... #Why would you ever want to 'break down and buy an Amiga'? You already have #a computer which will blow away (in MIDI applications) anything else on the #market. Sure you see a lot of neat ads for Amiga, Arari and Mac music #applications, but you have to read between the lines. Remember, the Mac was #suposed to be the computer for 'the rest of us' (i.e., non business, non #technically oriented users. Similarly, the Amiga was originally crafted as #a graphics engine and is, for all intents and purposes, a glorified game #playing machine with very pretty graphics. The Atari ST, well, what can I #say. I am not belittling any of these machines, and because of their 68000 #architecture, they are very technologically sophisticated. Their problem #lies in the software which overly uses their graphics interfaces and makes #mouse clicking a probable future course in major computer departments. The #Mac, has finally been allowed access into the business world because it #finally spawned software which is usefull to the business world. The Mac and #Amiga (and to some extent the ST) have been taken to the hearts of many #musician software developers. Unfortunately, the software is far from #spectacular. The Mark of the Unicorn stuff nonwithstanding, for the most part #the 68000 stuff available for music comes in only 3 flavors (with varying #degrees of excellence): Sequencers with graphics interfaces which make them #look like they are emulating multi-track recording studios (right down to #simulated tape reels and tape transport controls - Can simulated vU meters #be far away?); scoring programs which take the output of sequencers and #produce musical notation; and patch editors and librarians. All the stuff #is OK for what it does, but it is accompanied by too much graphics overbaggage #so that you really loose track of what it is you are REALLY trying to #accomplish. If some clever programmers start to work on some real production #software (this does appear to be happening for the Mac), clearly it might be #of interest to consider purchasing one of the 68000 machines for MIDI use. #The final flaw in the 68000 marketplace (Amiga and ST, especially) is the #gameland background from whence the machines themselves were spawned. While #it has been sometime since there has been any successfully marketed copy #protected programs in the IBM PC market, almost anything worth more than #$19.00 come copy protected for the 68000 machines. People with game-playing #computers have become accustomed to buying software which is copy protected. #Conversely, most people with IBM type equipment, have hard disks (when you #can add 20 Meg for under $300, and a Mac external floppy costs more than $200 #it is easy to see why this is true) and even Lotus learned that it isn't #fun to alienate the hard disk user, even tho the point of necessitating #the use of Key disks. So now that I have hopefully convinced you that you #really don't need, or want an Amiga (there is nothoing that you can do with #one that you can't expand your IBM to do for less overall cost, and with #a lot more support and convenience), I'll address the MIDI interface #situation. # [... omitted random garbage on PC MIDI card ...] #If you really have to buy a 68000 system, get a MACII or something that #has some serious real application (i.e., business use) support. At least #in doing so you will have purchased a product which won't be orphaned when #a new and better game playing, cutsie computer comes around. It's a shame #that 68000 technology hasn't been exploited as it should have been about #2 years ago. Hello 65816, surprise 68000! #John #Rossi@NUSC.ARPA ------