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From: andy@cbmvax.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Intuition's "dont mess with these" fields...
Message-ID: <2658@cbmvax.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 29-Oct-87 12:10:23 EST
Article-I.D.: cbmvax.2658
Posted: Thu Oct 29 12:10:23 1987
Date-Received: Sun, 1-Nov-87 02:49:43 EST
References: <1961@amiga.amiga.UUCP> <1825@cadovax.UUCP> <2631@cbmvax.UUCP> <1831@cadovax.UUCP>
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA
Lines: 55
Keywords: Intuition verboten nopokenzefields

In article <1831@cadovax.UUCP> keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) writes:
>>In article <2631@cbmvax.UUCP> andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) writes:
>I don't expect kludges to hang around forever, but you are telling me
>"we don't support overscan, so do so at your own risk" when at the
>same time, all the customers are saying "do you support overscan?  we
>need overscan!  Package X and package Y support overscan, so what's
>the problem?" 

If Johnny's mother let him jump out the window, I suppose you'd want to, also.

>And the problem is, we support some features the other
>packages don't, that if you do in overscan I have to monkey around
>to make work, because C= doesn't support overscan.

We're being fair about this; if they do it, they might break. If
you do it, you might break.

>and Bryce had a reasonable and helpful idea of a work around.  All I
>am hearing from C= right now is "tough!" effectively.

Nope, we say "You've been warned"

>All I'm saying is "ok, I don't want to do what I'm not supposed to do,
>but HOW DO I DO WHAT I NEED TO DO?".  So far, the C= answer has been
>"you can't".   I'm sorry, but that's the WRONG ANSWER. 

The answer isn't "you can't".  The answer was, if you do this,
a future Intuition release might break your software, because
private Intuition things may have to change, things unrelated
to overscan.

It is the right answer.  If the OS can't do what you need it to
do, but you can kluge your way around it, its *your* choice to do
it.  Demanding that Intuition magically start supporting overscan in a
nice manner is singularly non-productive.  

Everyone who is kluging in overscan support via manipulation of private
intuition data structures evaulated the risks, and made their decision.
But don't ask us to support it forever.  

In a perfect world we would have got it right the first time.

>Keith Doyle
>#  {ucbvax,decvax}!trwrb!cadovax!keithd  Contel Business Systems 213-323-8170


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