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From: mwm@eris.BERKELEY.EDU (Mike (My watch has windows) Meyer)
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Subject: Re: Manx 3.40b upgrade
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In article <710@rocky.STANFORD.EDU> rokicki@rocky.UUCP (Tomas Rokicki) writes:
<This is terrible!  I cannot develop without the library sources!

I know the feeling. Wanna try GCC out? :-) That way, you can fix the
bugs in the compiler, as well.

<Damn, I just checked, the library sources don't come with Lattice 4.0

Ah, but Lattice is *good* about fixing things. For instance, I called
their BBS and complained "What's this with fork* setting the stack to
4K by default!? I set my stack to whatever size it is on purpose. It
should copy that." Call back next week, and they've said "Yeah, you're
right" and there's a patch file to fix the library.

I've never found a bug that affacted the generated code that wasn't
fixed within a week. Those that don't affect code (bogus error
messages about promoting char's to int's; etc.), on the other hand
they tend to say "yeah, it'll be fixed in the next version."

The BBS may be dull, but that's not its point in life. It's there so
customers can get patches, help with the compiler (they told me how to
turn off the blasted copyright notices from the compiler!), and
information on products. It does that, and does it well.

While I'm here, I might point out that Lattice appears to have a
better upgrade policy that Manx. No "yearly fee option", but what I've
spent on upgrades over the last two years (I started with 3.03, and
order the upgrades ASAP) is less than that yearly fee is going to be
($120 vs $125). Then again, they appear to have upgrades about half as
often (yearly).

Tom, I think Lattice 4.0 is probably well worth a look. Interested in
recompilng TeX under it after I get a copy?

	<mike
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