Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!sundc!pitstop!sun!decwrl!labrea!glacier!jbn From: jbn@glacier.STANFORD.EDU (John B. Nagle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,misc.invest,comp.ai Subject: Re: Expert Systems Company Financing... Message-ID: <17194@glacier.STANFORD.EDU> Date: Tue, 13-Oct-87 12:09:18 EDT Article-I.D.: glacier.17194 Posted: Tue Oct 13 12:09:18 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 15-Oct-87 00:42:42 EDT References: <7260@dartvax.UUCP> <1111@omepd> Reply-To: jbn@glacier.UUCP (John B. Nagle) Organization: Stanford University Lines: 25 Keywords: Venture Capital, Govrt loans,... Xref: mnetor comp.sys.mac:8109 misc.invest:1035 comp.ai:887 Right now, the venture capital community has had it with expert systems. Hambrecht of Hambrecht and Quist, one of the more influential venture capitalists, has been quoted as saying "Artificial intelligence is the most effective means yet invented for separating investors from their money". There are no AI startup success stories yet, remember; nothing comparable to SUN or Lotus has happened. A few companies made it to IPO, but the stocks never took off. Of the companies that received a lot of public attention, the score is as follows. Annual Annual Yesterday P/E High Low Intellicorp 11 1/8 4 1/8 5 3/4 29 Teknowledge 21 5/8 8 13 1/4 loss Symbolics 6 1/8 3 3 1/4 loss Lisp Machines (bankrupt) So forget an expert system startup using the venture capital route until somebody makes it. But venture capital is a fad-driven industry. Neural nets are hot this month. John Nagle